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#41 ·
Well put!
scoutlover said:
I'm the one that was shot at on Murray during a tournament last year. I'm sure you could dig up the thread to see what we went through with the whole ordeal. I can speak from experience and tell you a few things. First, don't even think about firing back, and second, MAKE SURE YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE PERSON!!! Both sound like crazy answers, but here's why I say that. Like someone said, there is an extremely small chance that its anything other than warning shots. If you start to shoot back, there is an extremely large chance those shots are turning to kill shots. Then you have a situation where they have unlimited cover including darkness and you are literally a sitting duck with no cover, and trying to take an offhand shot from a rocking boat. Then you have the problem of bullet responsibility. If they miss, odds are the bullets are going across the lake never to be seen again. Yours are going towards their house, car, child, etc and you can bet your @ss they'll find them. Regardless of the situation, you will be responsible for whatever you hit. Then you have the circumstances around the shooting. Our shooter just so happened to be a retired police officer. Even though we were entirely in the "right", could you imagine how it would have played out when the defense lawyer spun it. Also, who doesn't drink while they are out bowfishing? Add alcohol (which null and voids a concealed weapons permit) and you could be adding charges. Also add in the fact that you are in a vehicle and they are gonna grill you on not leaving the scene versus using deadly force which is only a last resort. This all sucks but its how our legal system is now. Now for my second part. Make absolutely sure you can identify the guy. It sounds simple but none of the 3 people in my boat could do it. And we were within 30 yards of the guy. My final advice is to get out of the area safely, use your smartphone if you have 1 to get the address and so you can tell the police officers exactly where it happened, and be sure to file a report. I'm sure I will catch heat for this response, but I was in the situation, under fire, with my gun in my hand ready to fire back and I didn't. To this day it was 1 of the best decisions I've ever made. No 1 was injured or killed, and I am not spending tens of thousands of dollars to convince 12 people that I was in the right. Prior to the shooting, it was never a question of what I would do. All that crap goes out the window the when you are fired at though.
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#42 ·
scoutlover said:
I'm the one that was shot at on Murray during a tournament last year. I'm sure you could dig up the thread to see what we went through with the whole ordeal. I can speak from experience and tell you a few things. First, don't even think about firing back, and second, MAKE SURE YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE PERSON!!! Both sound like crazy answers, but here's why I say that. Like someone said, there is an extremely small chance that its anything other than warning shots. If you start to shoot back, there is an extremely large chance those shots are turning to kill shots. Then you have a situation where they have unlimited cover including darkness and you are literally a sitting duck with no cover, and trying to take an offhand shot from a rocking boat. Then you have the problem of bullet responsibility. If they miss, odds are the bullets are going across the lake never to be seen again. Yours are going towards their house, car, child, etc and you can bet your @ss they'll find them. Regardless of the situation, you will be responsible for whatever you hit. Then you have the circumstances around the shooting. Our shooter just so happened to be a retired police officer. Even though we were entirely in the "right", could you imagine how it would have played out when the defense lawyer spun it. Also, who doesn't drink while they are out bowfishing? Add alcohol (which null and voids a concealed weapons permit) and you could be adding charges. Also add in the fact that you are in a vehicle and they are gonna grill you on not leaving the scene versus using deadly force which is only a last resort. This all sucks but its how our legal system is now. Now for my second part. Make absolutely sure you can identify the guy. It sounds simple but none of the 3 people in my boat could do it. And we were within 30 yards of the guy. My final advice is to get out of the area safely, use your smartphone if you have 1 to get the address and so you can tell the police officers exactly where it happened, and be sure to file a report. I'm sure I will catch heat for this response, but I was in the situation, under fire, with my gun in my hand ready to fire back and I didn't. To this day it was 1 of the best decisions I've ever made. No 1 was injured or killed, and I am not spending tens of thousands of dollars to convince 12 people that I was in the right. Prior to the shooting, it was never a question of what I would do. All that crap goes out the window the when you are fired at though.
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Thank you for this post!! Finally a post that shows a little common sense!
 
#43 ·
just be as courteous to them as you would want them to be to you, to avoid getting shot at, and causing other property owners from around the lake petitioning no bowfishing on the lake. It has happend, and they won, I say this to avoid trouble, just be courteous, but when someone shoots at you, get the hell away, and out of range and call the law. Point blank call the law, she may have shot in the ground just trying scare, and not at you, either way call the law.
 
#44 ·
scoutlover said:
I'm the one that was shot at on Murray during a tournament last year. I'm sure you could dig up the thread to see what we went through with the whole ordeal. I can speak from experience and tell you a few things. First, don't even think about firing back, and second, MAKE SURE YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE PERSON!!! Both sound like crazy answers, but here's why I say that. Like someone said, there is an extremely small chance that its anything other than warning shots. If you start to shoot back, there is an extremely large chance those shots are turning to kill shots. Then you have a situation where they have unlimited cover including darkness and you are literally a sitting duck with no cover, and trying to take an offhand shot from a rocking boat. Then you have the problem of bullet responsibility. If they miss, odds are the bullets are going across the lake never to be seen again. Yours are going towards their house, car, child, etc and you can bet your @ss they'll find them. Regardless of the situation, you will be responsible for whatever you hit. Then you have the circumstances around the shooting. Our shooter just so happened to be a retired police officer. Even though we were entirely in the "right", could you imagine how it would have played out when the defense lawyer spun it. Also, who doesn't drink while they are out bowfishing? Add alcohol (which null and voids a concealed weapons permit) and you could be adding charges. Also add in the fact that you are in a vehicle and they are gonna grill you on not leaving the scene versus using deadly force which is only a last resort. This all sucks but its how our legal system is now. Now for my second part. Make absolutely sure you can identify the guy. It sounds simple but none of the 3 people in my boat could do it. And we were within 30 yards of the guy. My final advice is to get out of the area safely, use your smartphone if you have 1 to get the address and so you can tell the police officers exactly where it happened, and be sure to file a report. I'm sure I will catch heat for this response, but I was in the situation, under fire, with my gun in my hand ready to fire back and I didn't. To this day it was 1 of the best decisions I've ever made. No 1 was injured or killed, and I am not spending tens of thousands of dollars to convince 12 people that I was in the right. Prior to the shooting, it was never a question of what I would do. All that crap goes out the window the when you are fired at though.
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amen... little common sense goes along way... there is a reason ppl want to take our guns away. lets not give them more by being stupid.
 
#45 ·
scoutlover knows just as well as i do we dont shoot around houses unless its a tournament. Even then we try to get away at a decent hour typically by 10pm which is more than reasonable. Cops said his response was he didnt know you cant shoot at people. wtf? but thats the only issue ive ever had. I think most of it is they dont understand what we are doing. Most think we are probably trying to steal from them. I agree I think in our situation we made the correct decision. Plus we got to see a drunk guy cream ownies truck. Turn out to be one of the funnest bowfishing nights ive ever had after all that took place
 
#48 ·
The OP only said he was "shot at" in the title of his thread. In his post, he said he "heard" shots as he got some distance away. This whacko old hag probably didn't shoot at the boat. She was probably just popping off shots to act tough and because she is a bloody fool. If truly under fire, shooting back is legit, but if you can't hit the fool, you're better off running away. A cop like GLOCK22C can probably hit his target, but I'd need a rifle to hit my target.
Getting away alive is our first priority. Identifying the suspect is a close second. Zoom video and still photos could really make that loser sorry!
Sorry you experienced this. I hope I never do. I'll go ballistic!
 
#49 ·
scoutlover said:
I'm the one that was shot at on Murray during a tournament last year. I'm sure you could dig up the thread to see what we went through with the whole ordeal. I can speak from experience and tell you a few things. First, don't even think about firing back, and second, MAKE SURE YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE PERSON!!! Both sound like crazy answers, but here's why I say that. Like someone said, there is an extremely small chance that its anything other than warning shots. If you start to shoot back, there is an extremely large chance those shots are turning to kill shots. Then you have a situation where they have unlimited cover including darkness and you are literally a sitting duck with no cover, and trying to take an offhand shot from a rocking boat. Then you have the problem of bullet responsibility. If they miss, odds are the bullets are going across the lake never to be seen again. Yours are going towards their house, car, child, etc and you can bet your @ss they'll find them. Regardless of the situation, you will be responsible for whatever you hit. Then you have the circumstances around the shooting. Our shooter just so happened to be a retired police officer. Even though we were entirely in the "right", could you imagine how it would have played out when the defense lawyer spun it. Also, who doesn't drink while they are out bowfishing? Add alcohol (which null and voids a concealed weapons permit) and you could be adding charges. Also add in the fact that you are in a vehicle and they are gonna grill you on not leaving the scene versus using deadly force which is only a last resort. This all sucks but its how our legal system is now. Now for my second part. Make absolutely sure you can identify the guy. It sounds simple but none of the 3 people in my boat could do it. And we were within 30 yards of the guy. My final advice is to get out of the area safely, use your smartphone if you have 1 to get the address and so you can tell the police officers exactly where it happened, and be sure to file a report. I'm sure I will catch heat for this response, but I was in the situation, under fire, with my gun in my hand ready to fire back and I didn't. To this day it was 1 of the best decisions I've ever made. No 1 was injured or killed, and I am not spending tens of thousands of dollars to convince 12 people that I was in the right. Prior to the shooting, it was never a question of what I would do. All that crap goes out the window the when you are fired at though.
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^
Listen to this guy. In a perfect world, you defend yourself and all is well, but the Kenyan and his posse is making dayum sure that isn't going to be much of an option from here on out.
 
#50 ·
GLOCK22C said:
easy big fella...you did read the part where she SHOT 1st right?
for all they you or I know she was a poor shot and not firing a warning shot over the bow of the boat.

thats kindof a big deal is it not?

I am not sitting here saying this just because I am on a computer safe and sound. My dad(police officer) was shot, my brother-in law(police officer) and my self(police officer) have both been shot at! I am not speaking from pure illusion here.
this is not something that I take lightly in any way. It is your God given right to protect yourself in a situation like this...I dont know the whole story and there are always two sides
but from the information given and under the same circumstances I would have handled it differently and Definetly not tucked tail and ran! Respect goes both ways and a cottage owner does not control, enforce, or own the water (in ALMOST all cases). And last time I checked it is not legal to shoot at someone for fishing on the water no matter how you choose to fish.

AGAIN! I did not say to shoot first and ask questions later...and I also stated that going back with the police was just as good of an idea! but to do nothing is pure sillyness:headbang:
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THANK YOU!!! its pubic property! actualy is either state or fedral property and you have just as much right to be there as she does to live somwhere else.



 
#51 ·
I agree 100% even if you shoot someone in self defense your going to be cuffed and treated like a criminal until everything is figured out if your lucky the person you shots family won't try to sue you in a civil suit even if they don't win you can still be ruined financially because of the court costs missing work etc. if there's anyway possible your best plan is to get out of there and call the law
 
#52 ·
GARMAGEDDON said:
just be as courteous to them as you would want them to be to you, to avoid getting shot at, and causing other property owners from around the lake petitioning no bowfishing on the lake. It has happend, and they won, I say this to avoid trouble, just be courteous, but when someone shoots at you, get the hell away, and out of range and call the law. Point blank call the law, she may have shot in the ground just trying scare, and not at you, either way call the law.
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X2....when you call the police INSIST that they do a follow-up investigation and tell them you want a copy of the police report.
 
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