hi sirs
this is my first post.
i am from brazil and i want to become a bowfisher too.
i use to fish in the shoreline and mangles where i always see stingrays in the shallow water.
some rays weight 40 or more kilos and they can put much more force in the line.
i already got my bow and if i understand right, the best gear to me will be a
- ams slotted retriever since it can use floater to deal with big fishes.
-200 lbs or more powerful tow line (i think you guys refer it as ff line, right?)
- a arrow point (and tying method) that transfer the fish power from the point to the line, instead to the arrow shaft, like Muzzy Gator Getter Point or muzzy gator pro point)
- a bowfish rest (several models)
- some fiberglass arrows
(hope i made a good choice)
but here is my problem.
in the bowfish community, there are what seems to be a great war about the best line tying method, some arguing that safety slides are best, some using steel cables, some defending rings and some who tie the line in "da back" of the arrow (great video, captain!)
while concerning small fish, it seems that any method can (or may....) be used.
but some sites say that when pursuing big fishes, the cable method is the only way to go cause it connect the line directly to the arrow point.
(some say that other methods can lead to the snap of safety slide brake or the snap of shaft itself when the big fishes starts to run.)
well, i am starting now and i dont know what is true or not.
i just know i am going to fish big animals and i want to do it right.
so, i came here to ask some help, if possible.
this is my doubts
1) this is the only cable manual i found in the net.
http://www.illinoisbowfishing.net/Cable_Arrow.html
is this the best way to go when dealing with big fishes?
or can the ams slide brake (at arrow nock) or metal slide ring deal with 200 lbs or more stretch force too?
2) i was wondering if this cabling method is really smart because, ok, we can use 400 lbs tow line..
but common wire leaders are rated at 200lb
and the most crimp sleeves are rated to 80 lbs.. and such small swivels are rated to 50 lb or so.
so, what is the point of use 400 lbs line when connecting it to the arrow with some fragile ferrules?
3) the wgb44 video about line snap is very educative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j980eO6ncoo&feature=player_embedded
but i was wondering.. and if we use 400 lbs line? it will snap too?
it will snap always no mather line we use?
or just low poundage line snaps?
or every line snap because the arrow force will snap no the line but the slide or the slide brake or (in the cable arrows) the swivel?
i am a little confused about the snap back possibilities whe using the AMS sloted retriever with cabled arrows.
4) i hear that i can use the ams slide with some more inches of line along the shaft, maintaing the line stiff with some ranger bands and when the fish is hit, the band came off and the line connect directly to the point, lefting the shaft hanging with no force upon the slide brake at its nock.
is it true? where can i found some instructions about this?
is this a better way than steel cable?
or the steel cable plus the swivel is the only way to go with big fishes?
well..
kind regards.
and sorry for my bad english!!
this is my first post.
i am from brazil and i want to become a bowfisher too.
i use to fish in the shoreline and mangles where i always see stingrays in the shallow water.
some rays weight 40 or more kilos and they can put much more force in the line.
i already got my bow and if i understand right, the best gear to me will be a
- ams slotted retriever since it can use floater to deal with big fishes.
-200 lbs or more powerful tow line (i think you guys refer it as ff line, right?)
- a arrow point (and tying method) that transfer the fish power from the point to the line, instead to the arrow shaft, like Muzzy Gator Getter Point or muzzy gator pro point)
- a bowfish rest (several models)
- some fiberglass arrows
(hope i made a good choice)
but here is my problem.
in the bowfish community, there are what seems to be a great war about the best line tying method, some arguing that safety slides are best, some using steel cables, some defending rings and some who tie the line in "da back" of the arrow (great video, captain!)
while concerning small fish, it seems that any method can (or may....) be used.
but some sites say that when pursuing big fishes, the cable method is the only way to go cause it connect the line directly to the arrow point.
(some say that other methods can lead to the snap of safety slide brake or the snap of shaft itself when the big fishes starts to run.)
well, i am starting now and i dont know what is true or not.
i just know i am going to fish big animals and i want to do it right.
so, i came here to ask some help, if possible.
this is my doubts
1) this is the only cable manual i found in the net.
http://www.illinoisbowfishing.net/Cable_Arrow.html
is this the best way to go when dealing with big fishes?
or can the ams slide brake (at arrow nock) or metal slide ring deal with 200 lbs or more stretch force too?
2) i was wondering if this cabling method is really smart because, ok, we can use 400 lbs tow line..
but common wire leaders are rated at 200lb
and the most crimp sleeves are rated to 80 lbs.. and such small swivels are rated to 50 lb or so.
so, what is the point of use 400 lbs line when connecting it to the arrow with some fragile ferrules?
3) the wgb44 video about line snap is very educative.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j980eO6ncoo&feature=player_embedded
but i was wondering.. and if we use 400 lbs line? it will snap too?
it will snap always no mather line we use?
or just low poundage line snaps?
or every line snap because the arrow force will snap no the line but the slide or the slide brake or (in the cable arrows) the swivel?
i am a little confused about the snap back possibilities whe using the AMS sloted retriever with cabled arrows.
4) i hear that i can use the ams slide with some more inches of line along the shaft, maintaing the line stiff with some ranger bands and when the fish is hit, the band came off and the line connect directly to the point, lefting the shaft hanging with no force upon the slide brake at its nock.
is it true? where can i found some instructions about this?
is this a better way than steel cable?
or the steel cable plus the swivel is the only way to go with big fishes?
well..
kind regards.
and sorry for my bad english!!
