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Pentetrators are good but stingrays and sting-a-rees or whalers are the better if you dont want to get fish all over you,If your losing fish on them It's more than likely not the tip,It's your bow poundage or shooting technique,That's only opinion though, but I haven't found any other tip that you can shoot and not have to turn the tip and hold fish,I might lose a couple a night but it's like a 97% success rate from my experiences and those were because of poor shooting practices or just didn't pull back far enough snapshooting!Try all the tips you can find and figure out what works best for you,Alot people value the opinions of the majority or just anyone one here like the gospil when the truth is that they dont know anymore than the person receiving the advise so take that and make your own judgements but your better off learning for yourself I think!I do like the penetrators the best for a wire type head,those gene davis and lil stinger points hold great and are super tough in hard bottoms but you will be fishy!