without a doubt go with a menace, everybody is gonna have theyre own opinion but heres mine.- i can take any one of my menaces and go out and stick and hold 45+ spoonies and 35-55# bigheads all night long set at 40#s (usually not deep fish but very hard fighters) anybody that knows me knows i have a serious shoulder injury and i can comfortably shoot 40 lbs all night long, but then i can turn it around and set it up for my buddys 8yr old son with 2 allen keys and about 2 minutes and hes stickin and holding fish. can honestly say i dont miss my discovery a bit. so all in all, between the 2, the choice is obvious...an oneida hahaha