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I do aplogize that you guys got into this mess, and I wish they would just walk away, and we do the same......it would be for the best.....
 
ok......
here is the latest e-mail I have received from penny......


RE: Fwd: RE: Important...Please Respond
Wednesday, April 6, 2011 5:47 PMFrom: "pswearingin@thebowfisher.com" <pswearingin@thebowfisher.com>View contact detailsTo: heerdinkk@bellsouth.net, bruised13t@aol.com, thedavel@yahoo.com, hooptyfish@aol.com, chris@gobowfish.com, bsam1014@yahoo.com, tstiller@hotmail.com, mark@muzzy.com, steveyoung11@verizon.net, bandit_18455@yahoo.com, chase_baker41@hotmail.com, mf3lfour@aol.com, louisiana_outlaw@hotmail.com, wwezel01@baker.edu, skoalbandit7325@yahoo.com, halosgt24@yahoo.com, roblaw@suddenlink.net, writes4u@whidbey.com, huntertmm@yahoo.com, southtxbowfisher@aol.com, bowfishinchick@yahoo.com, cecremeans@msn.com, bwfsh@yahoo.com, muddslinginkuntrygal@yahoo.com, xrfoxracer@comcast.net, jtnicholsjr@yahoo.com, group6@windstream.net, fleasimbeck@yahoo.com, mwl5025@yahoo.com, tphunter@sbcglobal.net, bowfishing24-7@hotmail.com, yedor@cox.net, garquest@aol.com, carpshooter1@charter.net, rich_porter@cox.net, dwo1@cox.net, jimmyz3660@yahoo.com, sales@oneidabows.net, dwhthd@yahoo.com, d.stiefel@hotmail.com, ljplaner@hotmail.com, captainvic68@yahoo.com, bowfishingrandy@cox.net... more

They have threatened a Director that also works for them selling advertising that if he did
not resign from the BAA they would look to see if he could still be
employed with the Bowfisher.


This is a complete lie....we have told all state reps, pro staff, and our sales team...that they can support both organizations and we are not making them choose sides.


This is exactly what the bowfishing industry doesn't need....more people not getting all the facts and sending out info....


Penny Swearingin
Publisher
The Bowfisher Magazine
http://www.thebowfisher.com


417-399-1608
HC 79 Box 3240
Pittsburg, MO 65724
 
This is gonna be my response to the e-mail, but I will not do it without aaron's permission.........and aaron, if you do not want to be in this mix, I have no problems with that.....I just do not like how these e-mails are being sent out with all those people listed and we are made the liars and we made this up.....
so aaron, you say yea or nay to this, but either way.....this is their reasonings as to us lying to make the journal ok in our minds and how we are fabricating things to make it sound good for us.....but....this will also give dan and penny a gracious way out some but will also allow them to put either the blame on jmac, or say its all made up.....and aaron misunderstood....

penny,
this is from one of your ex- sales guys from our Board Room that we have set up since the spring meeting......with his permission and mine as to the conversations and how they have unfolded with the statement of "complete lie"....I did tell him that you guys may have not known that justin did this, but still....it was done....and it was done on sunday night, the same day the journal went live....

sunday april 3, 2011 Mark Lee (BAA)
No More Bowfisher and the BAA
As per a phone conversation with penny with the Bowfisher Magazine on Sunday, April 3, 2011 at 1825 (6:25pm), they no longer want to be any part of the BAA, nor do they want to be mentioned with the BAA. They feel that the E-Journal is in direct conflict with the Bowfisher Magazine, and will be having their attorney contacting us through a letter stating as such. We will no longer be offering the subscription of the magazine with membership, and I have asked mike to remove it from the BAA website and also from the paypal account.
Dan is also withdrawing from being a state rep for missouri.

We will have to decide as to the membership fee that we have or to change it back to the $30.00 for members....

(Monday, april 4, 2011)
Originally Posted by Aaron Senn
Ya the journal looks great guys! I know that must have taken a ton of work. I don't know if you guys know or not but I was doing alittle selling of advertisment for the bowfisher, I was contacted last night (before I read any of this here) and was told that my position was being discussed and that I was most likely not going to be able to sell for the magazine any more if I was still affiliated with the BAA! I pretty much told them that they can shove it! I don't do anything for the money or popularity, it all about the future of the sport and supporting the companies that support us.
I think I'll stay on the BAA side!

Originally Posted by BAA
this is getting crazy! they keep saying conflict of interest when really they are saying too much competition....and we are doing this for members to keep members informed....No one was looking at dropping the Bowfisher Magazine....but now with the way they are acting, people are seeing a side of them that even I did not know was there....
as alan has said...we have had a journal for 20 years......I do not think that we will be competing for business.....ESPECIALLY since its for members....but they are not happy for us placing it on open forum for people to see the accomplishments of the new journal and the hard work for free I might add that the guys did for the BAA to have for their members....I told them that it was for promotional reasons to let people see what the journal would look like....

Originally Posted by Aaron Senn
Ya this has gone above and beyond crazy! For the life of me I just CAN NOT comprehend what theyre thinking on this is. So just because I am a board member for the BAA I cannot sell advertisment for the magazine?! Whats next they will drop me from their pro staff team! Both of which are fine by me if this is the way they want to run their company, its clearly not about the sport to them anymore.
They are seriously prusuing legal action on an article that was written and never clasified as exclusive, they'll have a fun time trying to win that battle!

The BAA is not looking to make any money on this E-journal, plain and simple they have a different agenda.

(Monday, april 4, 2011)by Mark Lee (BAA)
the sad thing is we were generating them subscriptions with BAA memberships, and they stopped that....and as far as i am concerned, they could have used anything from the e-journal they wanted if this would have turned out differently.....afterall, they WERE BAA members, and I do not think anyone would have cared...I know I would not have....different people write different things, and submit them all kinds of places.....by them severing all ties, they have lost potential subscribers, potential material,(free), pics, etc.....I just do not get it....we in no way will be competing against them.....except in their minds.....
I have had TONS of phone calls about this, and NO ONE has mentioned anything regarding dropping the magazine for the e-journal...when I mention that this is a possible reason as to the response from them....they laugh.....NO ONE had even considered that......they just look at it as another thing to read about bowfishing, not a replacement....so again, the only ones who are thinking this way is dan and penny....

April 6, 2011(Aaron Senn)

Man what a mess! Jmac called me, pissed that I told you they threatened my job! He swears that what he meant was referring to if the BAA would still allow me to work for the bowfisher?!
I still have the text he sent me on my phone, I think not! Either way I quit the magazine and don't want to work for them. Maybe he meant what he said but it sure didn't come off like that.
 
I can make another one but I'm sure they already have a print copy of it the way it is.

as far as repeatedly email these manufacturers ? They are just hurting themselves and here is why I say that.

The people on there email list don't give a chit about this. They really don't care and the fact they are making such a huge stink out of this to them is only showing them they are scared to death over the journal. if these manufacturers do happen to take the time to read her bs, they will only appear desperate and unprofessional. I guarantee you manufacturers are sitting back saying " how does this involve me" and maybe considering breaking ties because they don't want to be involved in there flame war.
We've made it clear what they are doing, at this point I think it would appear much better for the Baa to let them look Like they are flaming this war and move on.

This is not checkers were they jump and we jump and thet jump...... This is a chess match, we need to be looking 4 moves ahead.
The emails they are sending out now look like an act of desperation and bombarding these people with back and forth email will only cause them to cut both parties off which isn't what the Baa needs. At this point we need to appear to take the high road.
At least until we hear from there attorney
 
I agree Mike. We gave them a taste of what is in store for them if they continue down this road. We would be foolish to think this will never affect us so let's just let it rest. We need to work on getting a promotion out as fast as possible to grab a few new members tho
 
from this point on.....
do not post or respond to anything publically or send out any e-mails...the best method is to wait and see if legal action is going to be taken by BF.....we will give them no more fuel for their lawyers.....
as far as what I came up with from me and aaron...this is to be disregarded....and will not go out of this thread......and if it does, it will be without authorization from me, and its my post...

from this point forward, we have no comment, and we respond with no comment, but as far as I am concerned, and as alan is concerned, we will have nothing to do with the BF.....in any way shape form or fashion including tournaments , or any other form of support...we are breaking all ties...without formal apologies...
 
Worst case scenario...if "I" hurt the baa's reputation with "my" post last night the easy way out to prevent much damage to the baa is ito remove me from the board for over stepping boundaries. I don't think it will go that far but am willing to be removed for the sake of the baa.
 
Nope, it really has nothing to do with Jason it's everyone involved. It's either going to come down to lawyers or not and whether or not they think they can profit that's it.


We need to put this in our wake. The next move is up to them and until we know what that is? We need to focus on our journal and making it the best we possibly can ;)
 
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