I would set up and shoot the liberty at 70# and see how it performs....

And Black Eagles don't weigh a ton, only about 3lb 4oz

 

http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?74010-stainless-steel-arrows

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And where are you getting this "sucks to tune" stuff from. It's no different than an osprey.

I've seen the RPM Davey Jones do work in deep water, it's legit.

I cranked up to 65lbs on my BE and had good result with stand RPM NRG arrows in 6-8 feet of water

 

dude, for whatever reason those fish were just plain hard to get an arrow into, they were hard as rocks, or rubbery or something. Even on top water fish this weekend I was just getting the barbs into the skin, I am used to shooting clean through fish like that with my 65lb modern compound.

I tried a Davey Jones on these fish and actually had better luck with a gene davis on a Matrix shaft. Had a VERY hard time getting a grapple into a fish.

Although it looks like I was able to get into one more than you guys

 

:cen: KE must be present and controlled.

 

So what makes your carp so much tougher? Not being a smart ass, but here this a lot from the western guys. You boys are shooting 65pds and still not getting penetration. Sorry about hi jacking.

 

I don't know if they are any tougher than anywhere else, I have no perspective for a comparison since I've only fished here.

That being said the High country lakes I fish are fed from snow run off, the water stays quite cold even through the summer because of their elevation. The fish we shoot there seem to be thicker skinned than the fish I shoot on the delta where the water is warmer, down in the valley and slightly above sea level.

The water in the delta is significantly warmer, 10 degrees at a minimum, which results in a bigger softer fish.

Not scientific fact, purely my observation.

You don't have to have a BE cranked to 70 to make it happen, I slayed hundreds with a tiny little D2 at 30 lbs in that cold water.

 

Makes since I no once the water warms up our fish get softer

 

I shoot 55-60lbs from my black eagles, not because we have "tougher" fish, but because I shoot all day time tourneys. We have pretty clear water and can see fish regularly at 8-12ft. When you shoot at a fish that 6' deep but 8-10 yards out, its a lot of water to go thru. I've tried with an osprey maxed out and it doesn't have the power to stick the fish. Just my .02

 

what grain arrow does best on the deeper shots that are out from the boat?

 

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Come on kuger I no you want to chime in. I no you have spoke on this many times before. lol

 

Blue in the face my friend!!LOL!!:laugh:

 

I hear that Tablerock has some deep shooting....its funny for all the grief I have been given on the subject I sure had a lot of private message buds the second year of the open All I will say is that a guy that can shoot and boat deep fish has a leg up on someone who cant....many tournies have been won from the ability

 

Crystal clear it is bull shoals is the same way. And if you can hit deep fish you have a big advantage.

 

.............:laugh: I cant....but I know what it takes :headbang: . I will say one thing...Grapples and deep fish do not mix

 

what grain arrow better heavy as you can shoot or what??

 

no....heavy is not the secret(if there is one)you can get too heavy,there is a fine balance.The best thing to do is expiriment

 

I prefer the muzzy carbon with a muzzy carp tip they seam to fly the best for me.

 

Fish are cold blooded so water temperature has a big effect on penetration. A fish 8' deep in 70 degree water is much easier to bury an arrow in than a 40 degree fish at 8 feet. That said...find shallower fish :laugh:

 

Are you shooting off a flush platform? Angle and distance from surface play a small role as well

 

just to add gas to the fire, the surface water temp on sunday was 79deg as read by the thermometer in my Lowrance...

 

I built arrow with full length 2315s that have Beman trad arrows inside and some cartel fita inside those, few hundred grain of nib break off weights inside the cartels. First 8 inches of the alum 2315 has 1" prices of all thread stuffed inside.
The arrows flex better and stand up to bending much better than SS arrows. I think they are 3600 grains or so, they work much better than reg arrows on deep fish.

 

What is your draw length ?

 

RPM Davey jones arrow, gets down deep.

 

65 pounds seems to be the number for me on deep water fish. And I would do a little something different with the type of points you are shooting.