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Time To Convert To A Kicker

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#1 ·
After two seasons with a troller, I have had about all I can stand with control boards, brushes, broken shafts, and batteries. Its time to convert to a kicker. This is going to be a long, drawn out thread because this is going to be a winter project. I just figured I would start collecting ideas and materials so that when the time comes I can get it done. I picked up a 2009 9.8 Tohatsu 4-stroke this weekend so I figured I have half of the expense out of the way. It is a tiller handle without a tilt/steering tube.

I have been reading through "kicker" threads for the last couple of days and have decided to go with a push/pull steering. My decision is based solely on the fact that I want the cleanest install I can (guess I'm a little anal about this ever since I was installing stereos in cars as a teenager). From a budget stand point I understand that a pulley/cable system would be cheaper but I really don't want the exposed cables and the angle iron hanging off the back of the boat.

I know plenty of you guys run this same motor and I wanted to see if you could point out any pit falls you found while setting up your kicker with this kind of steering. Any help would be appreciated.

Also wanted to see if anybody local had any materials that they wanted to sell. My material list, as I understand will be (I'm sure there are plenty that I'm not thinking of);

motor mounting bracket
cables - steering, throttle, shift (19' skiff) I will get the actual lengths once I build the deck
Piller block bearings
sheets of aluminum - For the deck that I plan on building so that I don't have to cut the factory deck

The kicker is a manual start which isn't the end of the world, however if there is an inexpensive way to convert it to an electric start I would appreciate any ideas.
 
#34 ·
Well I got the motor mounted last weekend. Due to the lip at the top of the transom, I had to build a 4" off-set plate. Otherwise the handle on the Panther mount was under the lip when the motor was raised up. I built the first off-set plate the same size as the mounting plate on the Panther and it caused too much flex in the transom so I had to extend the angle that mounts to the boat to 16" long to help spread out the pressure on the back of the boat. The new mount doesn't flex at all. That is the reason for 6 mounting bolts through the transom instead of 4. I figured I would use all of the bolt holes since they were already drilled through the boat.
 

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#36 ·
I have had a couple of days at off with the storm coming so I figured what the heck, might as well work on the deck while waiting for my steering cable to come. Time to turn this light rail into an elevated deck. The deck is made out of 1" EMT conduit. Once I get it welded up I am going to top it with 1/8" aluminum and hydroturf. Getting older every day and the back gets sore standing on the deck all night. Hopefully the hydroturf will help with that.
 

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#43 ·
That's "thick wall" EMT!!! It don't need no stinking braces lol. That's as far as I got yesterday before I had to dog it off. I decided to hold off on finishing the bracing until I get the stick steering and cable bracket locations figured out. Once these are figured out, I am going to finish the bracing around those apparatuses lol. Didn't want to have the deck finished and then have to move bracing. Working on the stick steering today.
 
#46 ·
Well, I've been working 7/12's since Mathew and haven't had any time to work on the boat. I got off early today and got a couple of things done. I cut some plywood templates for the decking so that I could form the angle iron around the deck. This is simply to cover the edges of the decking and padding. I wanted to use angle in case I decided to add a knee rail. I also decided that I wanted a foot throttle since I've got a case of a little Arther in the hands and wasn't sure how the old hand would feel after working a hand throttle all night. I've got plenty of cable so if the foot throttle doesn't work out I can always try the hand throttle.
 

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#47 ·
Alright guys. I know we have some geometry gurus here when it comes to steering. I started mocking up my steering linkage and although I am getting full lock to lock back at the motor I am worried about the angle of the drag link causing the front steering to be too hard. I wont know for sure until I get the steering at the front deck finished but does anyone have any opinion on if this is too much angle?
 

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#51 ·
Phillip, why do you say the placement of the motor connection might be a problem?

Bob, my first drag link had a bend in it about 3" back from the motor end to try and get it more parallel to the steering cable. The problem I was having is when I turned the motor to starboard the bent rod wouldn't let it go to full lock, it was about a 1/2" from going all of the way. That is why I tried the straight rod and could get lock to lock.

I am going to try both of your recommendations tonight by seeing how far from the motor I can move my connection out and still get lock to lock on my little 7" cable.
 
#53 ·
You want your pivot on the motor to be almost on top of your steering cable when the motor is straight. That being said I would move your pivot point on the motor a little further out from the motor and see how it does. Also your drag link may be a little too long. just keep tinkering with it, every time you move something, something else changes. Just got to try and find the best combo. When I was setting mine up I took most of the stuff loose so I could move it all by hand, it makes It easier to see whats going on. Also 1/2" from bump stops isn't bad at all, you will still be able to turn on a dime. I would want to be able to turn the boat with ease over having 1/2" more turn.
 
#54 ·
You only need the motor to turn to the bump stop in one direction. It's a waste setting it up to go bump to bump both directions. With it being on one side of the boat it's gonna turn in one direction much easier than the other
 
#55 ·
Well its not pretty but I played with the linkage a little last night. I moved it out as far as I could and still get bump to bump. It does feel easier to turn at the motor than the last set up. Still am not sure if this is the best configuration since it is not a perfect science. Like Phillip said, as soon as you change one thing another one needs addressing.

Bob, with the motor mounted on the starboard side, which side should it hit the bump stop. It took every fraction of an inch of the cable throw to get the attachment point this far away from the motor. If it is not necessary to hit bump on both sides, I may be able to move it out a little further.
 

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#56 ·
looking better, do you have a straight and curved drag link? looks that way, I would try the straight with what you have now. Also try adjusting where the steering cable mounts to the plate with the two nuts. Looks like your motor is on the back right of the boat, meaning your boat will turn better to the left so I would get as much steering to the right before worrying about turning left.
 
#57 ·
No, I don't have two drag links. I pivoted it out to the point that the drag link and cable were parallel when the motor was centered and bent the existing drag link I already had to make the connection point. Looks like I may be making another drag link that is straight and see which one works better. Thanks for the input
 
#61 ·
I worked on the deck today. Got the light brackets tacked on and mocked everything up. After mocking everything up, I took the deck off and have it in the shop ready to finish welding everything up in the morning. I tacked the steering bulkhead bracket in place today and not too sure about my location. I mounted it 9 1/2" below the center of the pivot point of the stick steer. How low do yall mount your steering cable below the pivot? After a couple of hours of welding everything up tomorrow, it will be ready for paint.