So whos know what the current wait list is for the AE bow?
Wait list for AE?
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I can't answer that 100% because I don't have one and I don't remember all the little things he showed me and told me when i was there. but my personal belief and simple answer would be Joe .... his attention to detail, the research he did into every aspect of his bow from the riser, to the limp compositions. I remember he was handing me different outer limbs and talking about the tests and the results of each as far as strength per pound or something like that. it was all way over my head but the one thing i do know is he knew his stuff and i was pretty confident that he wasn't selling he was just sharing his knowledge. that's my personal opinion of why his is better others may have different reasons
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omg that hurts so bad
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That means the bottom limb don't touch the ground when mud shoots :laugh:
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That was a good one....:laugh:
But, as with a custom-anything, if something doesn't work its harder to get fixed. What specifically makes the AE shoot better and worth the wait? Why aren't more bows being sold if its such a fantastic design?
Generally, companies that sell more bows are able to put a LOT more money into R&D to make sure it is built right, safe, and efficient. Engineering, testing to a breaking point, etc all costs a lot of money. Parts are easier to get and more people are familiar with the bows if there are more out there.
I understand that it looks good. But there's a reason that hotrods break down all the time, they're built by some guy, custom. I'd equate it to that show Orange County Choppers. It was a big company, but their bikes weren't yamaha-reliable, they broke all the time and all the parts were custom built or only available at one shop.
It's the 4-year wait that has me scratching my head. Im sure its a nice bow.
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And for a little back history, I believe am correct that AE/Joe also did work for Oneida in its early days of development and had has a very intimate knowledge of lever bow technology and how it works and isn't just some yahoo that decided to try and make bows.
Also joe was outsourcing some of the parts being made like limbs and risers which are machined but had issues with parts being made wrong, and now has an in house CNC machine and had to get all programming for all the parts done and correct as well as learn how to use the equipment, and the latest has been getting anodizing tanks to do the aluminum parts vs sending out the parts for finishing, as well as learning the anodizing process and getting it correct..... more to a one man operation than most people think and Joe is also super anal and won't send anything out unless it's done right and to his expectation...
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Google says production capped at 450 a year as of 2015
But come on Mud, you and I know the real reason for the "list" and production holdups.....
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Well there is about to be a new player in the custom Lever Bow scene. I'm told they are going to put of 2 to 3 bows a week, built to your specs. Going to make that AE list seem antiquated.
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Well that and anyone that's talked to Joe know that,well, Joe likes to talk
oke: not a bad thing but just the way he is, but a heck of a nice guy and will help almost anyone to get their bow back together and shooting right, and loves lever bows and what he does
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5051?
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I'm not at liberty to say at this time, it's not 5150 though.
However I can tell you for sure it's going to be a big deal!
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JOE is a heck of a nice fella.Well that and anyone that's talked to Joe know that,well, Joe likes to talk
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I seen the pics of it on facebook, I really like the looks of it.
I've spoken with joe a handful of times, sonetimes ordering parts and then other times just cause I couldn't get a bow back together just right amd he's always been happy to help any way possible, I would love to be able to see his shop and get to tinker with some cool bows, he's just a little to far for me to make a trip lol. And he knows more about lever bows than anyone I've even talked to.
I've spoken with joe a handful of times, sonetimes ordering parts and then other times just cause I couldn't get a bow back together just right amd he's always been happy to help any way possible, I would love to be able to see his shop and get to tinker with some cool bows, he's just a little to far for me to make a trip lol. And he knows more about lever bows than anyone I've even talked to.
Thats your rebuttal? Pretty weak. Its a $2 million car, they can afford proper R&D.
So far, no one has answered my question even when i tried to poke it with a stick. What makes this bow worth waiting 4 years for? Is it better in some way than an oneida? I keep hearing "i think", "if im correct", "he's a super nice guy", etc.....but i take that as saying "we dont know why, but if i have to wait years for it, it must be superior..."
If its simply a case of supporting the little guy, then just say that.
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I don't know Joe personally, but this right here seems like the primary reason he isn't cranking out more bows. If the shop that was machining risers does sub-par work, go down the street to another. There's literally thousands of machine shops in this country, and most would welcome the work. Buying a CNC mill and then trying to learn how to run it yourself.....and then actually running it yourself...is a monumental waste of time and money if your the sole proprietor and the sole employee.
What happens when his mill breaks down? Or his anodizing operation runs into issues? He's gotta take time from his schedule (which it sounds like he doesn't have already) and tend to repairs or issues.
He'd be smarter to contract the machining, dipping/anodizing, and strings out to various sources, and just worry about assembling bows and promoting his product. What REALLY worries me is the amount of time he's spent NOT sending bows out the door. No bows=no revenue. You can only keep going so long like that.
I think the real issue with AE is Joe hyped up his bow, (which is indeed the Bugatti of lever bows) and then never went into full production. He honestly shouldn't have even mentioned the bow until he had the bugs worked out, and a finished production model in his hands. All it did was get everyone excited and wanting one even though only a few were being produced every year. Combine that with no tangible lead time on the product, an eternally long wait list, and a company that won't let you pre-pay for your bow because it's not guaranteed they'll even produce it....that's gonna turn off a lot of guys...
If I come off as an ass I apologize, it's not my intention with this post. I truly feel AE is the best lever bow out there, but I think Joe went about this totally the wrong way, and continues to veer off path (an example is the anodizing-source it out!) instead of spitting out bows. I truly hope he succeeds in this venture, but now that Oneida has REALLY deep pockets, and there's decent quality alternative brands hitting the market (finally!) I can see him getting swallowed up and swept aside in the hustle.
I hope that never happens, because Joe deserves better.
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lol I can think of no bow company that R&D a Bowfishing bow more then Joe!
But not everyone wants a Bugatti or can afford one!!
I have shoot many bow, had the first three years of Talon( was a prototype) and Osprey that were built. How did I get a prototype, one of my good friends help to develop the Osprey!
Got my hands on a AE at first open, and want one every since!
A bow is a personal thing, hard to say why I like one bow over another.
All I can say it the best bow I ever had!
FYI I shot my first fish in 1981!
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