[sticknstack38]

im talking about 200# ff idk if id ttb with 400#

 

[Ramon]

I tied to the back for years. I don't knock anyone who still does. I don't take any chances I use saftey slides period. Both of the incidents I shared with everyone didn't happen with me nor was I with them at the time of the accidents. Rodney Young was shooting a Oneida with a reel if I had to guess probably a zebco with fast flight either 150-200lb at the time because this was before muzzy came out with there reels. Blake Mitchell was shooting a compound with a retriver. After these accidents happened I chose to shoot safety slides just my personal preference.

 

[crash262]

before i switched to spinners i was using the retriever with a slide, i have had the line get caught on parts of the bow on windy days and only once did the line stop, it made a loud pop and the arrow was lost in the drink, the safety slide split in two parts. usually the arrow goes about ten feet or so then stops, now i shoot spinners TTB, been doing so for 2 years, and in that time i have had the string wrap around the riser and grab the bolt that sticks out from my rest many times, it does not stop the arrow it just slows it down a lot, i am using monkey wire.....i dont feel any one of these setups is much better than the other but when u start talking about a retriever TTB or spinner with Safety slide, well lets just say its not for me.....

 

[lightemup]

Why not just be safe and spend the money on slides/rings?

 

[wraith69]

I'm using the 200ff in my muzzy and the 400 in my retriever. I typically buy my arrows with slides on them. I'm shooting a qd rest will the string not make the arrow jump as it leaves the bow?

 

[Bull-73]

I'm paranoid. I'll be that lucky guy that the 1 in a million time spinner line don't break it will happen to me. Shoot with slides

 

[Deer_Predator]

I'm using the 200ff in my muzzy and the 400 in my retriever. I typically buy my arrows with slides on them. I'm shooting a qd rest will the string not make the arrow jump as it leaves the bow?

No the arrow will not jump with slides.... You keep the slide on the forward side of the rest and the bump stop always up.. You won't have a problem :tu:

Or are you talking the line tied to the back of the arrow making it jump?

 

[cntryboy081]

Couldn't imagine shooting my retriever TTB, making the switch to reel this year so no more slides and little black stoppers that come unscrewed.
This video experiment performed by an experienced physics scientist is enough proof for me.

This video is pretty famous, you can clearly see even with very very low poundage the 200lb line breaks.

 

[WBG444]

I have to agree with Hoyt, I feel the "saftey slides" are not all that safe.

This video is pretty famous, you can clearly see even with very very low poundage the 200lb line breaks.

But that guy is a dumb drunkard river rat in that video. Can't trust him. That's all I have to say about this subject.

 

[jb-hunter]

I shoot a slide and spinner and never had/have issues.

I did try TTB at KY dam because I kept blowing through gar up by the dam and I knew it would be easier to release the shaft to get line back out of fish if I TTB

Call me unlucky but I made sure every time I set the shaft that the line was through rest and pulled tight before hitting button and in 2 hours I experienced no less than 3-4 times the line wrapped around top of rest and I had two of the infamous knots I had only seen pictures of wrapped around the bow string and lost one arrow in the drink due to snap off after a mystery knot.

In my mind there is no way a line pulled all the way back to my face (30" draw) and then released is not going to create a a big ole loop mess as the arrow is going to leave in a hurry with a loop of line trailing the shaft trying to catch up. This loop will always have the potential chance of catching the string, the rest, and anything it can on the way out until it clears the bow.

I would really like to see a high speed camera make a slow motion video of a 30" draw person TTB and shooting a 35-40# bow. I can guarantee there is a 15" long loop (30" doubled in half) trailing that arrow as it passes the rest and I bet the line goes behind the string every time you release, almost impossible not to.

End of story, I quit shooting gar due to the issues with TTB and just put my slide back on.

And yes, I have read over and over again everyone that never has issue TTB, been doing it for 20 years, yada yada. I am just expressing my experience and some basic physics of a fast moving shaft and a light line trailing it.

I'll end with, IMO.

 

[GaryBriggs]

Epoxy rest JB, nothing to hang up on!

 

[Hoythntr96]

Most fail to realize that slides are soft plastic and actually increase the chance of a snapback due to the fact that they absorb some of the shock, preventing the line from breaking. I've had it happen, and seen it happen. You have LESS chance of a snapback with the line tied to the tail of the arrow. If it hangs up, the shock breaks the line and off goes your arrow. Alot better than the alternative

 

[water snake 2]

alum. slides are an alternative to the plastic just a pain to build. like them a lot after using them awhile.

 

[Big buff]

Most fail to realize that slides are soft plastic and actually increase the chance of a snapback due to the fact that they absorb some of the shock, preventing the line from breaking. I've had it happen, and seen it happen. You have LESS chance of a snapback with the line tied to the tail of the arrow. If it hangs up, the shock breaks the line and off goes your arrow. Alot better than the alternative

Have you ever had or seen a snapback with a spinner and FF with slides? Or just saying they are less likely to break the line on a hang up?

 

[wraith69]

I was speaking of the line ttb making the arrow jump as it goes through the rest. I know to make sure the bumper is up and the slide is in front of the rest

 

[GaryBriggs]

I would really like to see a high speed camera make a slow motion video of a 30" draw person TTB and shooting a 35-40# bow. I can guarantee there is a 15" long loop (30" doubled in half) trailing that arrow as it passes the rest and I bet the line goes behind the string every time you release, almost impossible not to.

Ask and you shall recieve JB

 

[Hoythntr96]

Have you ever had or seen a snapback with a spinner and FF with slides? Or just saying they are less likely to break the line on a hang up?

I have personally shot an arrow tied to a slide that hung up in my reel with a tight knot, a knot that has always broken for me when tied to the back, and the arrow stopped and came a few feet back towards me. Luckily it did not hit me but it landed near my feet. Could have been worse. I'd rather see an arrow vanish into the deep than see it come back at the boat

 

[Ramon]

I have personally shot a arrow tied to the back haven't had any problems and shot safety slides and haven't had any problems. But I know two people who lost there eyes or say vision do to arrow snap back without safety slides or rings. I've been bowfishing for 17 years for fun and competitively. I rather be safe then sorry when I first started using the safety slides I hated them it took awhile to get use to but over time got use to them. I would recommend them to anyone bowfishing.

 

[jb-hunter]

Ask and you shall recieve JB

So there ya go, as suspected and why the mystery knot happens... it's not a mystery. As I suspected the string is flying forward faster than the line looped behind can get out of the way and the loop collides with or gets behind the the string on the release of the shaft as best seen in frames between 1:15 and 1:16 where the slicks are passing the string. in the right situation it wraps itself around the string in a knot and hopefully breaks the line so you don't get a shaft flying back at you. aka the Mystery Knot.

I also believe when the mystery knot happens that the shaft may not break the string (as some have experienced) because the the knot is not tied to a stationary object, it is on the string which acts like a shock buffering the hit by flexing forward towards the shaft and not allowing all the energy to break the string. Also when this happens, now your string is going to reflex backwards towards you (because it has just been pulled hard forward by the shaft) and the shaft is not returning to your face because of "line stretch" but more because the string accepted all the forward force and is now returning it back at you.

Also seen in frame 1:17 is at least a foot long loop behind the shaft getting ready to clear the rest. In this video as can be seen a low profile rest like the Esper used in the video it does not really have anything for the loop to catch on but now you can see why a reel handle in the up position or a a rest like say a Muzzy with a long tip sticking up would have a higher potential to catch that loop.

I will end again as I observed (and suspected) in the video and IMO.

 

[Rev. Reaper]

The videos are awesome. I TTB with a QD rest, Muzzy spinner and redline. I Have seen tangles but always broke or most often the shot pulls the line around the object it was caught on slowing arrow flight. Never seen a snap back. I know it could be argued that there is danger in this but we also drive to the lake down the interstate with a boat on a trailer, we ride around on the water after dark, we hunt in water with alligators and rubberheads (a.k.a general population, sure they view us the same), we have gaffs on the boat along with knives and most often guns while we wrestle slimy stinking carp and catfish and gar with two or three arrows stuck in em. As with everything we do this all while being safe and using our head and keeping our brain engaged. Both ways can be done safely I think just whatever you choose.......love the sport and shoot on........and of course as always.. this is IMO