[Old Bald Guy]

JP,with all do respect....until you have shot over LEDS,I wouldnt go bettin the farm.Pictures do not do these lights a smiggen of justice.I there room for improvement?Yes,but you have to shoot over them to truly pass judgement.Its crazy,the fish do actually glow....there is no mistaking them,no other way to describe it but that they GLOW,and you can see them further out than you need to shoot.Murky water?In our murky water you could see them 1-2' deep...as said there is no light that will magically penetrate turbitity.

I gotta go with Trey on this one--and I have been out over led's and most of the other types of lights out there. The current rage in dc led's are ok but by no means bright. Fishable---yes but definately not gonna win any awards in the brightness department. As for highlighting the fish or making them glow--well---IMO hps lights highlight the fish better.
Course led's are getting brighter and cheaper everyday so I'm sure it won't be long before they take over completely.

 

[jasboj]

I spoke to a guy who's a guide on texoma. he went to all led lights. he runs them on 12v and loves them says hell never go back. He said they're not as bright as hps or hallogen but he said they are plennty beight eneough to hunt with.

 

[JpEater]

If you really wanna go with LED's, I say hold out. Its not going to be long before some good lights show up on the market. Right now, I don't think they are up to par. If you really wanna go with some right now, do yourself a favor and at least go with the 27w lights a lot of folks are going with. I would wait. It won't be long IMO..........

 

[kuger]

If you really wanna go with LED's, I say hold out. Its not going to be long before some good lights show up on the market. Right now, I don't think they are up to par. If you really wanna go with some right now, do yourself a favor and at least go with the 27w lights a lot of folks are going with. I would wait. It won't be long IMO..........

Man,now how often does that happen...I agree whole heartedly with all of the above said!!Exactly correct on all counts...IMHO.They(the 27's)we are using could use a little more "brightness",but they do the trick...for us.One big "perk",is the fact they dont light up the "surrounding environment".I would not mess with anything less than 27 watters right now

 

[seaurchin1969]

How much do you guys spend to replace bulbs broken or burned out due to travel vibration. The one guy I know running Hps has to remove all his bulbs prior to towing, and how long do they last under normal conditions. The 20watt LEDs I ordered run on 12 volts, 1600 lumins and supposed to last 50,000 hours yes 4 zeros. I only wish the viewing angle were a little less. They are 120deg, I would prefer a narrower beam angle of say 90deg to put more light in the water, but I supposed lighting the area in front of me keeps me from running into stuff.

 

[eman123]

If you really wanna go with LED's, I say hold out. Its not going to be long before some good lights show up on the market. Right now, I don't think they are up to par. If you really wanna go with some right now, do yourself a favor and at least go with the 27w lights a lot of folks are going with. I would wait. It won't be long IMO..........

I've seen you bashing the LEDs on most threads that mention them. Do you have any experience with them? Can you give us unexperienced folks an unbiased opinion? If you've shot over them and "don't think they are up to par," i'd like to hear why.

 

[seaurchin1969]

They run on a battery so do the 20w lights. You have to read the description some are 110-240v so you could run LEDs on a genny. If I already had an eu2000 I would look into it

 

[Old Bald Guy]

They run on a battery so do the 20w lights. You have to read the description some are 110-240v so you could run LEDs on a genny. If I already had an eu2000 I would look into it

I can't find anything in the description that says they run on d/c current.

Work Voltage : 12V-230V 50/60Hz

 

[seaurchin1969]

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Shell Material: Stainless steel & Die-casting Aluminum

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[seaurchin1969]

Note input voltage DC 12V

 

[Old Bald Guy]

If you really wanna go with LED's, I say hold out. Its not going to be long before some good lights show up on the market. Right now, I don't think they are up to par. If you really wanna go with some right now, do yourself a favor and at least go with the 27w lights a lot of folks are going with. I would wait. It won't be long IMO..........

I agree 100%. The starting point standard for bowfishing has been 500 watt halos for a long time now with the hid lights being a brighter upgrade to the halo's. The 27 watt led's are less than half as bright as a 500 watt halo so no way are these 10 watt led's gonna be very bright.

How much do you guys spend to replace bulbs broken or burned out due to travel vibration. The one guy I know running Hps has to remove all his bulbs prior to towing, and how long do they last under normal conditions. The 20watt LEDs I ordered run on 12 volts, 1600 lumins and supposed to last 50,000 hours yes 4 zeros. I only wish the viewing angle were a little less. They are 120deg, I would prefer a narrower beam angle of say 90deg to put more light in the water, but I supposed lighting the area in front of me keeps me from running into stuff.

These lights are new and no one has had them on a bowfishing boat for any length of time so any advertised figures on how long they will last are pure speculation at best. Just for comparison's sake hps ballasts are rated at 80,000 hours and most bulbs are rated at 20,000 hours but I'm betting they won't hold up that long on a boat.

I've seen you bashing the LEDs on most threads that mention them. Do you have any experience with them? Can you give us unexperienced folks an unbiased opinion? If you've shot over them and "don't think they are up to par," i'd like to hear why.

When he says "I don't think they are up to par yet" I would consider that an opinion not bashing. Kinda hard to disagree with him when the 27 watt led's are less than half as bright as a bottom of the line 500 watt halo. Will they work for bowfishing---sure but are they up to par with even a 500 watt halo? That would be a no. That said I'm betting that in the next few months you will see led's at a fair price that will outperform the halos and run on less than 1/5 the current.

 

[TXBA]

HEY OBG? you think they are brighter than my 400's and 250's? I'm running converters cuz of OBG so I dont think ill be getting rid of my genny anyway.

 

[JpEater]

I've seen you bashing the LEDs on most threads that mention them. Do you have any experience with them? Can you give us unexperienced folks an unbiased opinion? If you've shot over them and "don't think they are up to par," i'd like to hear why.

Read OBG's reply. He took the words right out of my mouth.

FYI, as a builder and installer of HID lighting fixtures I have to keep up with my competition. I have a set of 27w LED's. They will never make it on a boat. They just don't cut it for me. For some they may though. And....... if you read the original post, he was asking about a 10w light. Thats like shooting with a 60w incandesent lamp bulb...........

 

[seaurchin1969]

Someone do the math for us. I don't have output figures for other type of lights. I keep seeing oh the 27wat LEDs arnt as bright as my 500w Hps. That seems like a no brainer, goes without saying ect. How many Lumins per watt of power ? I know the 10w LEDs I have are rated at 800, and the 20w are 1600. That's 80 lm per watt. Oh and they won't burn your leg.

 

[seaurchin1969]

Ok I did the math. Reference .fishingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?606-Let-talk-lights
I used the wattage, and lumina output of the smallest light in each category.
HPS 35w. 2250 lm = 64.28lm per watt
MV. 50w. 1580 lm = 31.6
MH. 50w. 3400 lm = 68
Halo 100w. 1300 lm = 13
led. 20 w. 1600 lm = 80

Some of the lumin #'s seemed to have an extra zero added to them. I took the liberty of correcting that. If I was wrong in doing so, do tell.

 

[Old Bald Guy]

Someone do the math for us. I don't have output figures for other type of lights. I keep seeing oh the 27wat LEDs arnt as bright as my 500w Hps. That seems like a no brainer, goes without saying ect. How many Lumins per watt of power ? I know the 10w LEDs I have are rated at 800, and the 20w are 1600. That's 80 lm per watt. Oh and they won't burn your leg.

I haven't seen anyone say that led's aren't efficient-matter of fact efficiency and being directional is their main calling card. If I remember correctly the 27 watt led's on here put out around 1300 lumens and actual power consumption is right at 22 watts. Since led's are directional to make an apples to apples comparison to HID lighting you would multiply the led's lumen output by 3 which would equal 3900 lumens from 22 watts input = 177.3 lumens per watt of input.
For comparison a 400 watt hps would give you 50,000 lumens from an input of about 480 watts = 104.2 lumens per watt of input. Led wins the efficiency award by a wide margin. Problem is even figuring in the directional/lumens x3 deal it takes 4 of the 27 watt led's to give the same light intensity as one 150 hps. Figuring that most people that run 150's run 6-8 of them-that would require 24-32 of the 27 watt led's to be equivalent which would get down right pricey.
Just for grins not all hps lighting systems get hot- matter of fact my reflectors will be a few degrees above air temp all night long. Not even warm enough to warm your hands when it's chilly out.

 

[Old Bald Guy]

Ok I did the math. Reference .fishingcountry.com/forums/showthread.php?606-Let-talk-lights
I used the wattage, and lumina output of the smallest light in each category.
HPS 35w. 2250 lm = 64.28lm per watt
MV. 50w. 1580 lm = 31.6
MH. 50w. 3400 lm = 68
Halo 100w. 1300 lm = 13
led. 20 w. 1600 lm = 80

Some of the lumin #'s seemed to have an extra zero added to them. I took the liberty of correcting that. If I was wrong in doing so, do tell.

Several problems with that comparison:
Led's are directional and a staight lumens to lumens comparison will not give you a correct comparison of light intensity.
On the hps, m/h and mv lights you used the wattage of the bulb which is irrevalent for your input figures. These bulbs require a ballast to supply/regulate the current and actual current input will be much greater than the bulb's wattage.
I've never seen anyone use 35 watt hps, 50 watt m/v or 50 watt m/h for bowfishing since they are dim.

 

[seaurchin1969]

Here is one for you genny guys. $129.00 free shipping

50W LED Flood Light Outdoor Waterproof Wash Lamp White


Specifications:

Shell Material: Stainless steel & Die-casting Aluminum

Input Voltage: AC 110-240V

Power Consumption: 1 x 50W

Protection grade: IP65

Light Color: Pure White

Color temperature: 6000-6500K

Lumen: 4000LM

Size: 285x232x157MM approx

Base Size: 157 MM approx

Features:

Environmental-friendly and energy saving

Easy installation

Long lifespan and stable performance

Waterproof and dust proof

Can be mounted vertically or horizontally, adjustable stand lets you point the light at different angles

Perfect for outdoor lighting such as landscape, garden, swimming pool, etc

Package included:

1 x 50W LED flood light

　

 

[seaurchin1969]

I suppose it boils down to the quality of the light, and weather you can get by with less. Even if you were to run enough led lights to = output, and coverage of HPS for example, you might still need a genny. On the otherhand, you could generate alot more light running the same wattage of LED lights. At least that's the way it looks to me.
I got started trying to run a 12v lighting system, now I'm pretty heavily invested in it.

 

[Old Bald Guy]

That 50 watt at 4000 lumens is pretty bright since Econolight's 56 watt is 3300 lumens.