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I'm not arguing the diffrence in contest calling, or killing dogs with a shotgun some asked how you kill coyotes not let's argue how diffrent hunting styles and situations are completely diffrent from one guy to the next. That's awesome you killed coyotes for a living. Here's what I know most my stands I sit 30mins and sometimes and hour...and I kill coyotes way beyond the 15min mark. He reason I sit there that long is because I know that coyote is there it's just calling him out to make a shot on him. Hope I didn't piss you off by my first post. I was just saying HOW I KILL COYOTES. And I have fun doing it.
....your right,sorry bud!
 
One thing I've found aroun here especially since there is getting to be more people attempting to call yotes here east of the Mississippi is to try different calls often different from ur standard cottontail mouth call. Try sounding like a hurt pup. I do carry a foxpro and if I'm on a farm that I've heard other people have tried calling on I rely on the foxpro. Again use different sounds. I have lots of success with k9 pup distress, kitten distress and woodpecker distress. Also as everyone else says stay concealed and play the wind.
That is absolutly right!!!!Johnny Stewart used to sell a kit that came with his Tape Player calls.It had like six tapes that came with it....first thing ya did was throw those tapes away!The cottontail is the most used sound in the world and coyotes do associate sounds with danger....that has been proven in studies.The most sucessful sound used in studies was actually the woodpecker in distress.That is why I like using mouth calls because the sound is never the same.
The Canine in distress used to be kind of my secret weapon that I never told any body about....like calling em in with just a howler....back when my job depended on calliling and killing specific coyotes....now it doesnt matter.I have had yotes come to pigs in distress in areas that there are no pigs...its a different sound.Before Gerald Stewart came out with the sound he called Superjack,we field tested it,and out of 30 stands my boss and I called in 27 yotes(several stands had multiple animals respond)and I beleive out of the trial 500 stands produced right around 400 call ins........it was the best thing since sliced bread!Now I brought that sound to Nevada where there are Jackrabbits everywhere,and I couldnt buy a call in!!!!No idea why to this day.This was in remote areas that I know were "virgin",dogs
 
Besides Kuger, I'd guess you to be around your fourties maybe older ( no offense) but I seem some of your old photos a few years ago of the pile of dogs you have killed I love to hunt with you. You seem to know your chit I would argue with you about coyote hunting because I know you have Ben in the game longer than I have. If you come to TN drop a line to me and I'll take you toy farms I have a lot of land to hunt. Just never enough time to go anymore.
 
Also in places I can use cover in my favor along with the wind I will try to make several stands easing my way through the property. When trying this I focus on low volume calling. Something as simple as lip squeeking can be very effective this way. Again when using this method I'm in tight cover with visibility less than 100 yards. Have a partner that u hunt well with. One carry shotgun and other carry rifle. U gotta move in unison and as stealthy as possible. Use any geography u can in your favor whether it be creek beds logging roads or well used game trails. You gotta move as quietly as possible. For smart dogs think outside of the box. Sound like an enticing meal but think of ways to approach different than anyone else has. Tight cover pressured coyotes are one of the top outdoor challenges out there.
 
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Wow - this is an awesome read. Thanks guys and keep em coming.

The guy from South Africa - YOU ROCK!!! But dont let a ******* fly your copter - lol
 
Also with mating firing up around here if ya learn up on some howling vocalizations. They can help keep the ball in your court. About 7 years back me and my huntin buddy set up on a dog that I talked with(can't think of a better term lol) for nearly 2 hours before presented a shot. I had him so pissed when he finally provided a shot he swam a creek to get to us. That was one of my favorite stands ever. That creek was the only reason it took as long as it did and was also the only reason he couldn't give us the slip and wind us.
 
Besides Kuger, I'd guess you to be around your fourties maybe older ( no offense) but I seem some of your old photos a few years ago of the pile of dogs you have killed I love to hunt with you. You seem to know your chit I would argue with you about coyote hunting because I know you have Ben in the game longer than I have. If you come to TN drop a line to me and I'll take you toy farms I have a lot of land to hunt. Just never enough time to go anymore.
:tu: I came off like an azzhole though and there is no excuse for that,you are right people have their ways and I have mine...mine are developed through my experience to fit my needs,not every body does it for the reasons I do,therefore dont have to do it the way I do.I would love to come out and shoot fish with yall,and maybe shoot a dog or two,but honestly if you want to shoot dogs and lots of em,you need to come out here,its not uncommon to call in 10 yotes a day.I like you dont have time and dont do it any more unless I am getting paid!
 
Also with mating firing up around here if ya learn up on some howling vocalizations. They can help keep the ball in your court. About 7 years back me and my huntin buddy set up on a dog that I talked with(can't think of a better term lol) for nearly 2 hours before presented a shot. I had him so pissed when he finally provided a shot he swam a creek to get to us. That was one of my favorite stands ever. That creek was the only reason it took as long as it did and was also the only reason he couldn't give us the slip and wind us.
:tu:Yep,those are the most rewarding of any way to call em in.....and the only way to kill a booger barking dog.I laid in the sweltering heat one day for over three hours trying to kill a booger barker that had outted me on several ocassions before and now had every coyote within two miles educated to what I was doing......I had to kill him.I had him on a sparsly brushed hillside,I just couldnt see him,he barked and barked,and I just waited,gridding off inch by inch,I finally was able to catch movement in one small bush.It was right at 370 yrds,and it took another 30 minutes for me to figure out what end was what...well what I thought was his head wasnt...was his azz but it caused him to "wagonwheel",long enough for me to coup de gra her and that biotch was dead.....I will never ever forget that one!
 
I like to think of howling as telling a story but ur audience is yotes. Like said above avoid over doing it though. Most times I'll start with a couple invitational howls. Then sit quiet for a few minutes. Sometimes I'll repeat invitational howls again. Then wait. If I'm in a place I'm confident in next ill drop a challenge howl out. U have to be careful with a challenge howl do it to much and it'll come off sounding like what kuger calls the booger bark. Like the dog I got to swim a creek I got him answering my challenges and would give him long pauses between challenges. And what finally put him to his breaking point was after one o my last challenge howls I paused long enough to seem like another yote could move in and I dropped some kiyis on him like a fight was going on. Then I let it calm down again and dropped another challenge howl at him and he was hooked. Learn what sounds like what and practice putting a scenario together and they'll commit. I also like my howls to sound higher pitched so I sound like a younger dog trying to show dominance. Coyotes love to show who's top dog.
 
Any body slightly interested in calling should study the vocalizations and learn what they mean and why they do em.Coyotes are territorial....or I should say a dominate pair are territorial,and will stay with the same area pretty much their whole life.When you hear coyotes howling in the evening it is a calling to the neighbor..."Hey you home?"If nobody answers...well lets go investigate!This is the exact reason a good trapper picks up dung from other areas and will use it as an attractant,at a trap set...strange coyote just chit in MY territory and buried some food!Or the guy that uses urine....same reason a dog will piss on every fire hydrant they come by...its a marking post.."Hey,I was here",so the next one that comes by piss's over him,shows his dominance....like a gang banger and graffitti!So when a dominate dog hears a strange howl(they know each others sound just like you know people your around a lots voice)they are coming to check it out.Or an adolescent dog that has been run off,and is searching for a mate.Howling works year round,and they always dont answer back,often times they (especially young un confident dogs)come in completly quiet(this is where a decoy dog is priceless,they hear and see a lot better than you and I,and will tip you off to a customer)Then there is the challenge bark which during denning/mating season will infuriate the dominate pair...again,they come in quiet,but will often charge in all riled up PISSED OFF!!! The locate howl is invaluable as well,gets them going...lets you know where they are laying up...hanging out...then you slip in and call.This tells you where you want to be calling to,and what direction they will likely come from.I used to have a siren on all of my trucks for this,just like all the neighborhood dogs...sirens entice a howl!!In areas you have ground squirrels...listen to them when you are calling!!!!!!There warning whistle has cost many a coyote his life,same thing with Magpies or crows.....listen to nature....everything is afraid of a predator and will warn their buddies
 
I like to think of howling as telling a story but ur audience is yotes. Like said above avoid over doing it though. Most times I'll start with a couple invitational howls. Then sit quiet for a few minutes. Sometimes I'll repeat invitational howls again. Then wait. If I'm in a place I'm confident in next ill drop a challenge howl out. U have to be careful with a challenge howl do it to much and it'll come off sounding like what kuger calls the booger bark. Like the dog I got to swim a creek I got him answering my challenges and would give him long pauses between challenges. And what finally put him to his breaking point was after one o my last challenge howls I paused long enough to seem like another yote could move in and I dropped some kiyis on him like a fight was going on. Then I let it calm down again and dropped another challenge howl at him and he was hooked. Learn what sounds like what and practice putting a scenario together and they'll commit. I also like my howls to sound higher pitched so I sound like a younger dog trying to show dominance. Coyotes love to show who's top dog.
:tu: YES!
 
I just use my staghounds and catch and stretch em
I got to see that done one time when I was trapping in Eastern Montana.....feller begged me not to snare the area,and showed me why.....I obliged,that was some crazy chit....almost felt bad for the yote.....well,na,not really
 
I've even had luck setting up in fence lines and using fawn distress then tangling with the fence like I was stuck in it. I had read it in an article one time an started trying it. They said the twang of the fence will travel long ways up and down that fence and is like ringing a dinner bell. Now when this worked prolly just bhaaing like a fawn would've done the same but I like to think making my scenario as real as possible helps.
 
We sit on a grain bin before daylight and use an electronic call. Female coyote distress/ mating. Cottontail distress. And lots if shells����
 
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