[spineshanker88]

intereting idk if i want to dive in to all the legal aspects of it.. i mean and i do butdang lol spineshanker i like your idea but im just concerned with the legality of it but see where your coming from as well just a guy you met taking him fishing hes "covering costs" till you get screwed or someone gets hurt... and edge ill shoot you a pm

like i said every state is gonna be a little different but i did my homework and thats how i did it here (TN) for 3yrs. as far as someone getting hurt, very general waivers cover you there. just a matter of how big you wanna go with the whole operation.

 

[Archer0545]

I'm in the process of getting my 6 pack right now. I guide for Aerial Asians on the Illinois. Last year I ran on a loophole but it's getting closed. I was legal and had insurance and all but the USCG is tightening up on it so I am getting the Captains License. I'm going through the Mariners Learning system online course as well. It's not easy and takes a while to get through and then theres the other stuff mentioned earlier, twic card, physical, first aid certification etc... It was definitely allot more involved than what I would have initially thought but still worth it to be legal. My insurance was like $1700 last year but since I only run about 3 months of the year I only had to pay 1/4th of that.
You definitely need waivers and there are many online you can copy and adapt to your particular needs but any lawyer will tell you a waiver can be beat in court pretty easily so go the legal route because it's not worth the potential risks.
It's not something to dabble in honestly, if you're going to do it go all the way.
It's also harder to charge a decent price for subsurface shooting. The reason being is that almost anyone with a boat can go do it or take people out for free. For what I am doing the boat has to be set up for it and it has to be the right combination of boat and motor to get the silvers to jump good so it's a little less competitive.
Good luck and if you have any questions feel free to PM me and I'll tell ya what I can.

 

[scotte17]

i don't think you want to be that guy that takes trades for trips. In WA it's illeagal even for you to accept gas money (seriously). A guy got pinched around here last year for having guys fill up his boat for trips. Granted, our Salmon fishery is highly regulated. "Edge" hopefully you don't mind if I give you a call too.

Scott

 

[bellevillecarp]

lol i just wanna help people shoot trash fish and get paid haha thanks guys yea i will deff give you a call im hoping the papers arrive in a day or so so i can actually see what they say i require here im willing to go all the way with it i know it wont be easy by no means but good things dont come easy usually really appreciate all the input and help in tis venture hopefully it all pays off and works out

 

[bellevillecarp]

ook so i recived the paper work from the dnr and from what i can tell its says i dont need the 6pack if i accuire the guide license i thought about scanning them and posting them to get the ideas of everyones opinions or take on it lol

 

[dGarnier]

As far as the dnr is concered you dont need a 6 pack, but if you check with the CG they will tell you if its a navaigable waterway you will need your licnes

 

[bellevillecarp]

well which agency would be the one to follow? if i have to accuire it through the dnr would you not follow the dnr guide lines?

 

[mudfish]

As far as the dnr is concered you dont need a 6 pack, but if you check with the CG they will tell you if its a navaigable waterway you will need your licnes

But this.

 

[bellevillecarp]

motor boats carrying passenger for hir shall licensed by the uscg. this section doe not apply to outfitters and guides licensed under wva code 20 2 23.. then under it it says motorboats carrying more than 6 shall be inspected by the uscg so my understanding would be if its 6 and under you wouldnt need your 6 pack... aghh aggrivating stupind laws!!!

 

[bellevillecarp]

idk im gonna just call the uscg and have them send me the regulations and law requirements for navigable and closed waterways say thats my best option.

 

[bellevillecarp]

As far as the dnr is concered you dont need a 6 pack, but if you check with the CG they will tell you if its a navaigable waterway you will need your licnes

whats considerd navigable ? loop hole with an air boat hahahaha

 

[mudfish]

motor boats carrying passenger for hir shall licensed by the uscg. this section doe not apply to outfitters and guides licensed under wva code 20 2 23.. then under it it says motorboats carrying more than 6 shall be inspected by the uscg so my understanding would be if its 6 and under you wouldnt need your 6 pack... aghh aggrivating stupind laws!!!

I read that the USGC will inspect the boat if you carry more then 6 people.

Here in SC all our rivers and lakes are NW.

 

[Rizz]

And the winner is carpzilla and mudfish! Ive completed mine. We carry 1000000 ins. Completed mine through sea school. Rules of road was my hardest part. Dont take the word of "i looked into it" people. Listen to the people whom have actually done it an are using it. Talk to your local charter captains, schools for licensing and dnr for their regulations. If your gonna do it, do it right or give it up. Dont try the waiver or "gas money" methods as they will both bite you in the a**. All it takes is 1 accident or 1 p.o. person to be sued.

Did mine online, then tested at an approved testing center. It worked well. Navigation Plot was definitely the hardest part of the test. Also there are alot of other small things that you need to do for it; drug test, eye exam, physical, cpr/first aid course, then you have merchant mariner fees, TWIC card, and other small things on top of the "captains class". All adds up quick too! Good luck :tu:

 

[Bow-hemith]

Ok here is some info on what you need for a captian's license. A six pack license refers to the maximum number of passengers that you can carry on your boat without it being inspected by the USCG. If one of those passengers pays you ANYTHING you are required to have a captian's license. Your DNR license does not relieve you of having to have a captian's license. Most states you will have to have both. As far as a written waver you will need it and liability insurance. You will also need things such as type 1 PFDs, marine radio, compass, etc... you will get to know your local CG officer well. You might as well have them inspect it because they are going over it anyhow. By the way I have my 20 ton master's license and run a part time guide service. Been there done that, study rules of the road hard. not fun but it is what it is.

 

[bellevillecarp]

pm sent to you both... i dont know any other guide in my area thats the problem lol

 

[Killing Nemo]

I just finished the 100 ton masters license with tow assist courses and I am sure I can answer any questions you have because I went through all of the same BS you are. Pm me if you want my # feel free to give me a call
Any vessel carrying more than 6 paying customers, needs to be an inspected vessel- only means the USCG inspects it and you have to have a masters license. A 6pack is for uninspected vessels only.
As I understand it, if you are being compensated in ANY way (money,gas money,whatever) for taking people on your vessel, you are basically taking responsibility for their life and in turn need to hold a captains license. In my opinion, a few hundred bucks is not worth the risk if something were to happen while out on the water