[Team HBC]

Recent events? I dont see the connection. I respect your decision and don't condone excessive drinking or drunkenness (I'd DQ/ban someone if it was a problem), but if that's a rule/regulation then we will not be attending. Banning something that a responsible adult can regulate themselves just doesn't work for me. Beer and bowfishing go hand in hand for a lot of people, and the freedom of choice is taken away from citizens too much these days. I'm not really arguing beer here, it's just the idea of telling bowfisherman that they can't do something they enjoy and that's their legal right. No harm, no foul here. I know youre thinking safety here, so I do and will support you and your circuit, and people will just have to decide if it works for them. Good luck on the 20th!

 

[tj_escott]

We have a right to bare "aiming fluid!!!!" I protest for all of Bowfishing mankind!!!!

 

[Stihl Duck]

We have a right to bare "aiming fluid!!!!" I protest for all of Bowfishing mankind!!!!

OMG, You crack me up.....

 

[GLOCK22C]

Operating watercraft under the influence is not legal to start with

If you have to drink while bowfishing to enjoy yourself that is fine but it will not be done at my tournaments.
sorry to give you another reason not to attend
I won't budge on this and i hope that no one is offended in this decision...but you can drink while you fun fish
Or fish someone else's tournaments
It is dangerous enough what we do...adding alcohol to the equation makes no sense to me

 

[tj_escott]

:drunk:

 

[GLOCK22C]

:drunk:

Again
I am not against drinking while bowfishing
it just is not going to be allowed for my tournaments
this sport is all about having fun, I get that
but when I am the one that could be held responsible/liable there is no room for it
I really hope that you HBC boys will reconsider and come
I hate to think that something like this would keep you away from takin our $$$ again:laugh:

 

[jacksearls]

does this mean we have to drag the boat to registration and.then turn around and pullit it back pastthe house to go fish instead of just driving to registration without it? does it also mean that if we decide to stop shooting at 3 and sit in the.garage and shoot the bull.until 6 when we come back to weigh in, we cant have a couple beers in the garage because we risk being dq'ed? if those are the case then we may reconsider future shoots.

 

[GLOCK22C]

look guys
I am trying to make this a BAA sanctioned shoot
the rules on the website stat there is no drinking during tournament hours

plus with the loss of our fellow bowfishermen this month I am doing all that I can to make this as safe as possible *I am in NO WAY blaming intoxication on those tragic events!

Listen, I drink! I have even drank while bowfishing(not driving), but if you are operating a boat it is illegal. If you break any state laws
you are DQ any way
the legal limit is .08 B.A.C.
that is just short of a buzz for most people

If i do a BAA sanctioned event all boats have to be checked for safety equipment anyway


:cf:honestly I did not think that this would be this big of a deal:cf:

sorry to have upset you guys on this I really am but please try and look at this from my point of view... the last thing
I want is a call about someone getting hurt or worse at one of my tournaments

 

[Team HBC]

Why would we be mad? It's your shoots and your rules. I understand where you are coming from, but I choose not to participate. We canceled on going to the Billy Davis because I told Tim I wanted to spend time with my girls and lady bc I've been away a lot lately, so don't think your rule caused anything with me/us.

 

[GLOCK22C]

good thanks for clarifying that for me man

 

[jacksearls]

i am also all for safety but i think when you start asking people to take a breathalizer test at a weigh in, it has gone to far. the trailering the boat over is not that big a deal and we dont drink and fish but the being told you can not do something that is legal will not set well with some. i get the motive behind it and we are all for safety but the approach seems...well...a bit over board. we urge peopke to be safe but at the same time i guess i would assume someone who has spent thousands on gear and is giving up hours in traveling and spending 12 hours on the water is a responsible adult capable of making responsible decisions.

 

[GLOCK22C]

the PBT was only if it was suspected...like falling around drunk/slurring words/ that sort of thing
its not like every member would have to blow before weighing in :laugh:

and the argument that someone would not get drunk just because they spent alot of money?
people spend thousands of dollars on cars and then get behind the wheel of a car intoxicated,
so to me a boat is no different:cf:
I understand your reasoning but please understand mine
as director I COULD be held LIABLE for anything that happens
I really dont want someone to not come because of this but I will just deal with less people attending if thats what it takes

which is a shame really...that someone would think that the only way to have fun in a tournament is to be drinking along with running a boat in the dark with a bow in your hand:cf:

sorry if this ruins anyone's plans...but it is what it is

 

[jacksearls]

not going to go into details as to my personal opinion on comparing drunk drivers to someone bowfishing in a tournament wanting to.have a beer but will say millions of dip****s turn 21 every year but a very small percentage will save the money for a luxury item like a bow fishing rig. how many drunks are behind the wheels of a $100,000 luxury car...very few...bow fishing rigs may not be a $100,000 rr...but to the average bowfisherman making an average income, they might as well be. like dustin said...no hard feelings, your tournaments, your rules. just have a feeling your approach to the issue is going to have a negative impact on the number of boats at your shoots...i hope i am wrong but judging by what im seeing and hearing, i doubt i am. you will keep a local crowd but i think you may have hurt your odds of drawing from much of a distance, especial the south...seems southern boys like the option of doing something they feel is alright and are not big fans of being told they can not do something.

 

[GLOCK22C]

then so be it

 

[jacksearls]

and as for the liability...you could be held just as liable for people driving to the lake on a trailering tournament since the kick out point is not somewhere with access to a lake. registration being somewhere besides the launch means every team will have to drive back to the weigh in after being up all night and if i am not mistaken, sleep deprivation shares many of the same symptoms as being intoxicated and can have the same affects on a person behind the wheel...just something to consider when liability is such a big concern. would hate to see someone get dq'ed for refusing a pbt based on their personal stance when the symptoms they display are caused by being up for 20+hours.

 

[GLOCK22C]

I think that statement is a stretch at best jack. it is very easy to sleep before or even during a tournament. But consuming and becoming intoxicated from alcohol is on a different level of concern and can be much more debilitating.

sleep deprivation at 24hrs+ does and can cause some of the same issues with being .08 B.A.C.

so why would I add alcohol to that equation?

 

[jacksearls]

edited because i double posted...

 

[jacksearls]

lack of sleep affects each person differently...some people can experience those affects at 16 hours...others may not see it until long after 24 hours...and sleepind during a tournament...really...you really believe that may happen? i was not trying to use it to argue for drinking dring a shoot...just seems liability is a big concern for you and wanted to point out that you are taking a bigger risk, in my opinion because we are forced to drive if we want to fish, by having a trailering tournament then if you allowed adults to make a decesion on their own about having a drink on the boat or in a garage waiting for weigh in. we still plan to fish this tournament.

 

[GLOCK22C]

see ya there brother!
have a good one

 

[Ckeef1]

So I missed alot today apparently I like a beer to calm my nerves get kinda gittery when a tournament kicks off. Rarly do I have beer though. Was plannen on gettin some for this shoot guess not. Not going to argue either side. As I see points on both I do however understand that we live in a world where things take the blame for peoples actions "ar15" same as beer when in the wrong hands things can get crappy real quick. I dont care if people around me drink or are drinking. Dustin and Tim I always see drink a few before a tournament never have seen a issue cept for the fact they never offer one "stingy" haha. I personally dont like to see personal choices being tampered with, but we will still be there to have a good time regardless no arguments tell we lose then im blaming my shooting on no beer lol.