On Thursday, December 6, 2012, there will be a public meeting at the Plainfield, IN Public Library to discuss proposed rule changes for 2013. In one section it reads that bowfishing is permitted with the use of illumination, but later in the proposal it reads in a section point 2 that you can only bowfish from dawn until dusk. No other information is proposed or mentioned in relation to bowfishing at night or flow rates of the water that determine legal night areas from day. In no section does it mention the legality of night bowfishing, so when it reads that bowfishing is allowed only dawn to dusk, we have a problem. Everything else that is proposed is the same and well defined. The idea of the legality of night bowfishing is less than clear, to say the least. Team HBC believes it's in the best interest of the bowfishing community here in Indiana to attend this meeting as representatives of our sport. We will be taking the day off to attend, but we believe that the wording, or lack there of, is very much a threat to bowfishing at night, so we will be there. Anyone that would like to meet up with us or join us there let Tim or me know. If anyone has any information on this or can help clarify the way the proposal reads to ensure that we aren't reading into it incorrectly let us know. Let's represent fellas and stand united and strong to ensure we are allowed to continue doing what we love to do.
Team HBC
If you think it would help to have people from outside of the state that enjoy shooting in Indian there, I would be glad to make the trip.
For the non residents, let us know what we can do to help. I would be glad to send email or make phone calls to the right people if you give us a contact. I know it's not easy dealing with regulation changes, and more people they hear from the better (usually).
Rob, if you want write us a letter and we will take it with us. I will be in contact with the Director of DNR over the next few weeks. I sure hope we'll be able to get these changes done. The future of night time Bowfishing on rivers in Indiana is in trouble and we will need any and all support.
.....since lakes don't have the sunrise to sunset line like in (p)
http://www.in.gov/nrc/files/fw_technical_amendments.pdf
There is the link for anyone to read. It start talking about Bowfishing 3/4 way down on page 15. Please read and tell me your take on the wording and proposals. Thanks Tim
There is the link for anyone to read. It start talking about Bowfishing 3/4 way down on page 15. Please read and tell me your take on the wording and proposals. Thanks Tim
Section p, #2 thats the way I read it, but page 14 says you can take fish with the aid of artificial lites also. Thats the way all regs go are to complicated. I dont know the areas listed in M on pg 15 but why did they scratch off bowfishing in those areas or is it in Town, it sounded like it might be.
Rob thats the way I read it also... It sucks cause I have to burn a vacation day to attend this meetin. It's that only one I have left for the year ugh!!!
Count me in, I'll be there! I'll contact my fraternity brother that's a CO for Marion county to give me input on what might be going on.
I am more than willing to help write letters and contact folks too, but would like to have some answers as to why the rule changes are being proposed before writing anything. If you could get us some clarity on this matter, it would be nice. ALSO, I believe that it is very important to attack this problem while it is being proposed rather than after it hits the books for the first time--it will be much harder to remove/alter then!
Anybody wishing to speak, write, etc. needs to know all of the facts/stats going in to seem professional and knowledgeable.
Anybody wishing to speak, write, etc. needs to know all of the facts/stats going in to seem professional and knowledgeable.
IM From Indianapolis but moved and plan on Shooting All Night When I Visit, Aint Buildn This Boat For Nothn.... I Please Message Me If You come with solutions to this, only reasons i could think of bans of night time would be, safety i guess.... or accidental shots on trout salmon etc. but with out us cleanin out the carp those species wouldnt survive nor even be born.... if i can help please let me know...
Just got an email from AMS Bowfishing about thier concers with the proposals... If ANYONE would like to email me a letter talking about your concerns, and benifits of night time bowfishing you can email me a letter at tj_escott@hotmail.com and I will take it to the public hearing on December 6th... Refer to post 5 and follow link to learn about the situation Indiana is in. Thanks for you help in advance!!!! Sincerely Tim
Can we put a STICKY on this? This is extremly important for the future of bowfishing in Indiana
Might not hurt to include somewhere that Utah just legalized night time fishing http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forum...80-Good-news-for-Utah-Bowfishermen!-Night-bowfishing-legalized-starting-Jan-1st! Since Indiana looks like are going backwards in an attempt to outlaw it.
And that Michigan just opened up its season to year around, no time constraints or flow rate restictions.
I just got off the phone with Indiana Chief Fisheries Biologist Bill James. I consider him a true friend in the IDNR since I have spent numerous hours on the phone with him over the last 3 years. He returned my call today since he has been out of town earlier this week. We talked about the proposals in question and this is his response... If you remember back 2 years ago there was a statute that read streams with a 1500cfs flow rate or less you could only bowfish daytime only. Anything over 1500 cfs was open to day and night fishing. The problem was no one...even conservation officers ..didnt know what streams were legal/illegal after dark. The state of IN removed the statute but failed to restate that those streams under 1500 cfs were open to daytime bowfishing, gigging and spearing. These streams have NEVER been open to nightime bowfishing under IN law. So the IDNR is simplifying the understanding of the law. Basically, the 8 major riverways(white, tippy,kankakee,st joseph, maunee and the rest in the statute) is open to bowfishing day or night. They are keeping closed to night fishing (which always have been) all tributaries that feed these waterways due the fragile nature of these ecosystems. Which means on of my favorite tributaries that I fish down here is still off limits. I am in the process of writing a proposal to be introduced at the meeting to include Pigeon creek, Little Pigeon, Panther Creek and the Black River down south due to the over abundance of Asian carp in these particular waterways. If anyone has any Asian infested tributes please post them here so that I can add them to my proposal. Thats basically the only way they will look at allowing more waterways added is if they are infested with silvers. Another proposal he asked me to work on is to make sure crossbows and bowfishing is re instated on sub section M of sportfishing methods 312 IAC 9-7-2. Bill stated stated that the only public comments taken need to be made in writing. to simplify this go to www.dnr.in.gov and submit comments throught the NRC tab. I will try to get a link posted shortly. I hope this clears a few things up and apologize taking so long for me to post this up...just wanted to talk to Bill and understand what is happening.
Another proposal I am introducing is a addition to the wanton waste law. I am working on a proposal that would allow a $1000 fine for illegal dumping of fish at public places if sites can be traced back to the culprit. Looking for additional thoughts to include on this....so please add your opinion.
Thank you,
Jason Greer
BAA State Rep
Another proposal I am introducing is a addition to the wanton waste law. I am working on a proposal that would allow a $1000 fine for illegal dumping of fish at public places if sites can be traced back to the culprit. Looking for additional thoughts to include on this....so please add your opinion.
Thank you,
Jason Greer
BAA State Rep
Fowl,,,,,Raccoon Creek, Sugar Creek and Otter Creek and Bruilletts Creek in the Terre Haute area of the Wabash are infested with ASIANS also...
That would be up to you. As long as your comment is added to the nrc that is like you being there in person.
Their quote "They are keeping closed to night fishing (which always have been) all tributaries that feed these waterways due the fragile nature of these ecosystems. Which means on of my favorite tributaries that I fish down here is still off limits." What difference does it make to ban night fishing, but to allow day fishing to " protect" the fragile ecosystem if I am perfectly legal to run the same waterway with the same boat and motor and bowfish during the day there is no difference other than am doing it after dark with lights. Unless the real reason is populated with possible complaints from waterfront residents..my. 02 on that.
We dont have crazy flow rate restrictions here but I see them as very subjective. I think I can figure math and you can have a 75 foot wide 10 foot deep creek/river barely flowing at a rate of 2 feet per second is 1500 cfs and is a pretty big piece of water, or a piece of water 30 ft wide and 5 ft deep and flowing fast at 10 feet per second is 1500 cfs also, but slow that rate to barely moving and 2ft per second is only 300 cfs but with either examples is more than enough water to run a boat in. And my example is with totally square dimensions not a real waterway with banks tapering down to deepest part in channel. We fish water and run up creeks just big enough and deep enough to squeeze the boat in and where we can go dictates where we can fish. I guess I don't see the point in that regulation.
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