How far would you drive to shoot an early May (two day) total weight tournament guaranteed to pay out $20,000 to the top 20 (two-man) teams on a reservoir known for big (40# plus) common carp. For the sake of conversation, let's say the pay out started at 5K for 1st and worked down...figure on an additional $500 bonus each day for the Big-Fish winners.
How far would you go???
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EXACTLY!
what the he// are these bigger boat/rigs afraid of with a big10/something format? more competition? so what... or is it a target boat number is set, not being brought to light, and the addnl boat numbers is unwanted?
one thing that has been brought to light to me from an outside source looking in, is the fact i will only shoot these comps with my son and my son only for now, and to take time to appreciate that... tell ya what, I HAVE! AND I CHERISH EVERY DAMME* MINUTE OF IT! to that individual, dont you think i havnt thought about that very thing every time we get in the truck with the scale sticking gear in the back? dont tell me for a second i have lost sight of teh important stuff... now as he's grown and come to appreciate the value of fair competion, (fact, he brought up the bigger boats have a DISTINCT advantage in a numbers format wayyy back when we were at the inaugural CJ shoot... i believe he was 12 at the time) he and i have talked at length about this and have came to the same conclusion, WHY plunk dont the dough if we KNOW going in we have nearly zero chance at the top spot? sure, we shot 450 on day one at BF and nearly the same on day two after the wind quit at AF, but the big fish hunt has been our only focus at these things really. now, i (and trust me there are others in the mm croud that express my same concearn) want a LEGIT chance at getting in a winners circle at these big shoots. the only way is a big 5 or 10, but watch it go to a big 20... wonderful, right back the same weights that cut the legs right out from the rest of us...
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Fins..................there are two teams that compete at Clear Lake in small boats (one of my team mates)that also go to CJ and are always in the top 10....one team is in the top 5 every year.For years we fished from a small boat and just competed for big fish pot each day....just another view
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John, forgive me if I'm not understanding your point. I have read through all 6 pages and didn't see a single post from whom ever is putting this tournament together about limiting boat numbers, boat size, day vs night or format. The only question that I can see was put out there by Rob and later Tyson was "How far would you go?". I guess maybe you have more info about this tournament than I do. Can you shed more light on details about the tournament? I understand if you can't at this time.
Hope all is well bud,
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I total understand where you’re coming from since I'm in the same boat... American Falls was not a fun place to cross in 3ft rollers in my severely under geared and Jetted for 4500ft of Elv Mud Boat with 700lbs of fish in the tubs... not to mention McTucker Ponds boat ramp was not to far from where we were fishing and was sheltered from the wind would have been a nice option for the mud boats to use for the shoot... If I remember off hand your sled is a pretty decent size boat as far as mud boats go...? Have you thought about trying to find an Outboard for it...? I know your boat is a dual purpose boat like mine is and you need the mud motor down in UT for waterfowl hunting and maybe even bow fishing...?
I have ran my sled with a 80hp Tiller Jet and I can tell you with that kind of HP these sleds can get on step with a 1200lbs fish load and go faster than they should when empty... still they are not the safest hulls for crossing that big water in the wind... I think if more boat ramps are opened up it would help... I know this is a hard thing to manage for the tournament directors also... I plan on retiring the River Pimp for tournament bow fishing just because it is not the safest boat in bad weather and I really want to go much faster and haul bigger loads... Not everyone can do this and I totally understand since for the longest time I was using a riveted 16x48 as a Mud Rig...lol... Just figured maybe you could find a used Outboard to help you compete a little better at these big deep water shoots here in Idaho since if I remember off hand your hull is pretty decent sized and is a Mod V..? Maybe that kind of coin is not an option which I get... at least more options of boat ramps around American Falls so guys in smaller or underpowered boats could compete and be safe doing it…
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Jose... no, i dont have the info just thinking out loud. 'am i totally off base?
SD, you are correct on nearly all accounts sir! ... just saying why should i have to spend the coin to compete with the bigs if all that it will take to "fix it" is a simple formating change is all? the potential team draw would be HUGE imo.
FNA... > BINGO <
SD, you are correct on nearly all accounts sir! ... just saying why should i have to spend the coin to compete with the bigs if all that it will take to "fix it" is a simple formating change is all? the potential team draw would be HUGE imo.
FNA... > BINGO <
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I agree... like I said in a post on here... your never going to make everyone happy... you brought up a good point for the Local Tournament Directors to chew on... maybe they should try a big 10 format to see what the draw would be... we just have this tradition in the PNW for total weight tournaments and you boys down in UT do Numbers... maybe its time for a Big 10 Each day... The WBA and IBA have done Big 10's and Big 5's shoots I wonder if what kind of draws they have seen over there total weight shoots..? But then again none of these shoots have had 20K... but from the IBA shoots I have been too the Total weight shoots have had more boats of all shapes and sizes compete…
Maybe Rob or who ever is putting on this shoot and wants to draw all these boats should start a new thread with Polls about formats... I think the intentions of this thread was just to see how far guys would travel and has went way off track from what Rob was wanting to gather from the members...
the only down side to a big 10 or 5 shoot for me is that were are not going to boat enough fish to help put a positive ecological impact on sport fish and IMHO that is what Bow fishing is about for me and that is our mission statement for our local clubs...
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Jose, the original post by Rob states two day total weight format.
Fins, the total weight format is about serious competition. Every single shot you take during the day counts which in turn is an indicator of who the best shooter is. Now, this isn't always true as a lot of it has to do with first finding fish to shoot. A big fish format, while fun, it doesn't necessarily indicate the who the best shooters are. I enjoy both formats and have even been lucky enough to win a few big fish format tourneys over the years but I've never even been close to winning a total weight. With that said, I would rather shoot a total weight tourney. Just like the pressure of every shot, every fish, every minute.
Anybody can win a big fish tourney, you gotta be one of the best shooters on the water to win a total weight tourney. I understand the issue with boat sizes being able to carry the weight, had the same problem when I first started shooting tourneys. I wanted to be able to compete, so I fixed that problem and got a different boat. That is not always an option, understandable. Now opening up multiple launches on a lake to trailer to is such a logistical headache for tournament officials. Trust me, I ran into that problem at the WBA State tourney this year and am still dealing with the ripple effect of that decision and won't do it again in the future.
Another other option for you would be organize and run a tournament in the format you would like. The guys that put on these tournaments are just regulars joes like you and me. Nothing in it for them except the enjoyment of meeting new friends, competition, shooting fish and a lil partying afterwards. Just saying if you don't like what you're seeing and think you can build a better mouse trap/get more boats envolved, nothing is stopping you from doing that.
As for the original question from Rob. I would drive 1,500 miles round trip for a total weight tourney in good water. Probably wouldn't make that trip for a big fish tourney.
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Very well put, Bradley...I agree with everything you just said. I've always felt that tournaments should be won by the best bowfishermen. Not just the guys that can shoot, but can also understand how, when, and where to find fish. Total weight events tend to bring the "cream to the top" so to speak. Limited number formats certainly have their place as well. That being said, I know that the directors pulling the strings on this show are extremely open minded and will do their best to provide an outlet that will fit the majority of those interested in taking part. I'm confident that there will be multiple launch sites, and additional aspects that will be conducive to small boats being successful. Excluding a night format, everything else will be taken care of. This deal is gonna happen, there are simply some logistics that still need be ironed out. The purpose of this thread has been satisfied for the most part, and those involved with the production WILL be pressing forward...At some point very soon, all the details will be revealed. At that point, you will all know what is in store and it will make the decision as to whether or not to take part much easier. Until then, stay safe in your travels, and on the water, Shoot straight!
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Brad A - you are correct, my mistake. And very well said
John - Let's just wait and see. From the above statement I don't think anyone will be dissapointed.
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That would be disappointed and NOT dissapointed................................. ugh
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Guys don't go getting all political on us cuz I hate reading a 8 paragraph post. I like the yes's and also l like the no's with your reason why it's a no.
Everybody's opinion hasn't fallen on def ears. There has been a lot of discussion on this and it's been real good!!! This is one you deffinately don't want to miss.
For now please keep going with the yes or no with a reason for both. There is a reason behind the question.
Everybody's opinion hasn't fallen on def ears. There has been a lot of discussion on this and it's been real good!!! This is one you deffinately don't want to miss.
For now please keep going with the yes or no with a reason for both. There is a reason behind the question.
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Great points made by all and Jose, you are a Greek god!
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LMAO. You guys are killing me. 
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