[GaryBriggs]

Have you had a chance to figure any hull weights? I may have figured in a little too much bracing, but I've come up with around 1,850 lbs for an 1884, going off of your basic design description. I have no idea what a fan, and it's rigging weigh, but I've rough estimated the rigged boat, with 20 gallons of gas to be 3,100 or so, with no foam in the boat. That leaves about 1,000 lbs for people, gear, cooler, and fish. That, of course, is
without pods. You've really got me studying on this. Am I close, and if so, what needs to change for more payload? Or is that enough?

Good lord that's heavy. My 1977 fisher marine 1644 weighs 400 lbs bare hull.

 

[Payphone Jones]

Good lord that's heavy. My 1977 fisher marine 1644 weighs 400 lbs bare hull.

The bottom of this one would weigh about 350.

 

[whiteriverrambo]

Have you had a chance to figure any hull weights? I may have figured in a little too much bracing, but I've come up with around 1,850 lbs for an 1884, going off of your basic design description. I have no idea what a fan, and it's rigging weigh, but I've rough estimated the rigged boat, with 20 gallons of gas to be 3,100 or so, with no foam in the boat. That leaves about 1,000 lbs for people, gear, cooler, and fish. That, of course, is
without pods. You've really got me studying on this. Am I close, and if so, what needs to change for more payload? Or is that enough?

I would say that's not a terrible estimate for a 1884. yes its a little on the heavy side, but since I have no idea what kind of plans you have. 36" sides x 1884 with storage compartments, subfloor all that could easily add up to 1850. a big fourstroke, fuel tank, troller motor, batteries, lights, genny ect. could easily double it. save weight were you can but over bracing a 84" wide boat? don't think you can. Id rather over brace, a extra 100lb of aluminum is worth having structurally and that 100 goes a long way.

best thing to do is build it the way you think you should then see what it weighs. yes that's a little scary but if you go 84" your gonna be able to float a lot of weight.

 

[CarpCommander]

I would say that's not a terrible estimate for a 1884. yes its a little on the heavy side, but since I have no idea what kind of plans you have. 36" sides x 1884 with storage compartments, subfloor all that could easily add up to 1850. a big fourstroke, fuel tank, troller motor, batteries, lights, genny ect. could easily double it. save weight were you can but over bracing a 84" wide boat? don't think you can. Id rather over brace, a extra 100lb of aluminum is worth having structurally and that 100 goes a long way.


best thing to do is build it the way you think you should then see what it weighs. yes that's a little scary but if you go 84" your gonna be able to float a lot of weight.

1884 with 36" sides?!?? Are ya planning on ferrying vehicles on the side with these things? Im just curious why you feel you need to build such a beast?

The only real world usefulness I can see would be if you REGULARLY filled the entire boat up with big commons or buffs, and then decided you want to take that boatload of fish home with you. Im talking 1000lbs+ worth of fish. Of course if this is the case, then you're also gonna need a serious herd of ponies pushing it.

Ive seen several 36" sided boats on here, and with the exception of Beaver (and crew), most didnt care for the tall
sides. Also note Beaver (and crew) CAN and DO regularly fill the entire boat with fish, and take them all back with them. Im not saying NOT to build a boat like this, but Id get ahold of him and see what the pro's and con's are first. I think it would have a very small niche to fill. Do you guys really shoot 1-2000lbs of fish in a night in Indiana? On a regular basis?

Theres a reason you see the sizes available today-because they are tried, true, and they work. With the exception of a 1672, maybe a 1772, and the smaller mini air/fan builds, I wouldnt stray too far outside of the standard boat sizes.

And please dont build that hideous rear-raised gunnel thing...lol. Theres just no need for all of that. :gay:

 

[garpwacker]

^^^^^^^^
X2 about the 36" sides with a normal transom height of 20" for a short shaft OB motor that's 16" above transom height and hopefully the top of transom is at least 6"-8" above waterline even loaded,and your safety factor isn't going to be increased much with the extra 6" of side height from a 30" to a 36" and would make it just that much harder to reach over the side for retrieving arrows stuck etc....

 

[Payphone Jones]

I would say that's not a terrible estimate for a 1884. yes its a little on the heavy side, but since I have no idea what kind of plans you have. 36" sides x 1884 with storage compartments, subfloor all that could easily add up to 1850. a big fourstroke, fuel tank, troller motor, batteries, lights, genny ect. could easily double it. save weight were you can but over bracing a 84" wide boat? don't think you can. Id rather over brace, a extra 100lb of aluminum is worth having structurally and that 100 goes a long way.


best thing to do is build it the way you think you should then see what it weighs. yes that's a little scary but if you go 84" your gonna be able to float a lot of weight.

1884 with 36" sides?!?? Are ya planning on ferrying vehicles on the side with these things? Im just curious why you feel you need to build such a beast?

The only real world usefulness I can see would be if you REGULARLY filled the entire boat up with big commons or buffs, and then decided you want to take that boatload of fish home with you. Im talking 1000lbs+ worth of fish. Of course if this is the case, then you're also gonna need a serious herd of ponies pushing it.

Ive seen several 36" sided boats on here, and with the exception of Beaver (and crew), most didnt care for the tall
sides. Also note Beaver (and crew) CAN and DO regularly fill the entire boat with fish, and take them all back with them. Im not saying NOT to build a boat like this, but Id get ahold of him and see what the pro's and con's are first. I think it would have a very small niche to fill. Do you guys really shoot 1-2000lbs of fish in a night in Indiana? On a regular basis?

Theres a reason you see the sizes available today-because they are tried, true, and they work. With the exception of a 1672, maybe a 1772, and the smaller mini air/fan builds, I wouldnt stray too far outside of the standard boat sizes.

And please dont build that hideous rear-raised gunnel thing...lol. Theres just no need for all of that.

My math was for 30" sides. The only reason I'd like 36" sides would be to slap a flush deck on it, and never need a raised platform. I just might have to put some of those raised gunnel Cadillac fin deals on my scale model boat.....just to piss you off!!! Lol

I saw what had to be a 3084 with the raised gunnels on the back end yesterday. Must have been 30 kids in it and 3 more in the tube behind the boat. Biggest flat bottom I've ever seen.

 

[whiteriverrambo]

lol im not doing 36" sides. after seeing Bevers boat in person im not sure I could shoot fish from that far away from the water,lol
I just meant I wasn't sure what "payphone jones" boat plans were and tall sides could add weight to a boat.

I think 28" is the magic number for me, I run the ohio river a lot and 3-4' barge rollers are scary when they sneek up on you. how dare you doubt me brent, you know id class up the raised gunnel front and rear. lol just a little dryer ride, even if you let off the throttle to fast.

 

[Payphone Jones]

If Brent would spend as much time building his boat, as he does telling us how to build ours, it would be DONE!!!!:laugh:
Seriously. Hurry up. I want to come up and shoot fish!

 

[Beaver]

If I was to build another boat I would crimp the sides and possible taper it from 36" rear to 33-34" front. Otherwise I love it. In the south where mostly dink gar are shot I would run 28-29". Like carp commander said we fill the boat and have to haul them at a tournmanet in bad weather and its definantely nice assurance that you won't sink. 3500-4500 lb's of fish and 4 guys is not uncommon.

 

[whiteriverrambo]

If I was to build another boat I would crimp the sides and possible taper it from 36" rear to 33-34" front. Otherwise I love it. In the south where mostly dink gar are shot I would run 28-29". Like carp commander said we fill the boat and have to haul them at a tournmanet in bad weather and its definantely nice assurance that you won't sink. 3500-4500 lb's of fish and 4 guys is not uncommon.

what's a common teachers pay up there? between the whitetail and fish it sounds like a target rich environment. if it weren't for hard water I'd move. I'm sure i could get a fabrication or heavy equipment job.

 

[kingcan]

Ha! Jobs in Wisconsin. Good joke :laugh:

 

[Beaver]

what's a common teachers pay up there? between the whitetail and fish it sounds like a target rich environment. if it weren't for hard water I'd move. I'm sure i could get a fabrication or heavy equipment job.

Not so hot these days with Mr. Walker running the show:laugh:

 

[water snake 2]

Not so hot these days with Mr. Walker running the show:laugh:

you mean not doin,g all that he is a claiming!!

 

[garpwacker]

Not so hot these days with Mr. Walker running the show:laugh:

And you can keep him, don't necessarily want to share him with the other 49 states

 

[whiteriverrambo]

bump, bringing this one back for all the guys looking for boats this year.

 

[liv2hunt79]

Come to MD to shoot snake heads, they live on the banks in the shallows and the tides here can suck. Thinking im going with a fan for next year.

I agree with kingcan-toss the calculator in the toilet. You're over thinking things brother.

Why are you obsessed with shallow draft? Most BIG fish I've shot have been in 2-4ft of water. Skinny water usually equals skinny fish. Unless you're talking a numbers tourny, in which case you'll get spanked by airboats 90% of the time.

To cover all bases, you really need several boats. That's not reality for most of us though, so get what fits your needs and style best. For me that's an 1872 kicker rig, with distant future plans for a 2 man mini airboat for local marshes. Itlł be different for everyone though. But general use, with a troller, fan, or kicker, 1872 is hard to beat.

 

[CarpCommander]

Come to MD to shoot snake heads, they live on the banks in the shallows and the tides here can suck. Thinking im going with a fan for next year.

I've shot em in VA-tons of fun. I had the troller at the time I believe, and it wasn't suited for the weeds. Sounds like if that's your game then a fan would be best.

 

[Realtree555]

Good info here for the new guys getting started...educational.

 

[Payphone Jones]

Good info here for the new guys getting started...educational.

Yep. Good reading here. It's easy to see why you wouldn't want to build a little bitty airboat.

 

[JPHolla]

Yep. Good reading here. It's easy to see why you wouldn't want to build a little bitty airboat.

:laugh: