as we were talking about gator gar fingerlings last wk.it occured to me there could be a potential problem in our future. if its a few years away thats good gives a little time to do something. some might say why did you bring this up wait until its here then do something but thats sticking your head in the sand . to harvest alligator, some places elk,moose,mountain sheep,bear and other animals you have to get permits then most of the time its luck of the draw. i would hate to see that for gator gar. [potential solution] don,t have a clue as to how many serious and part time bow fisherman there are but if its 10,000 plus thats good would give a strong voice this would need to be promoted and worked through bowfishing association of america. if 10,000 plus people gave 20 dollars a year for a couple of years towards a gator gar program would have some good results i would hope. we have one fish hatchery in tupelo,miss. thats working with gator gar we need at least a couple more doing this. then all the river basins from the west to the eastern part of usa could be restocked all the private lakes that wished to could do so. if there were public lakes that their lake association said we don,t want nothing to do with this that would be fine that is the way this should be don,t want anybody to feel like its being forced on them. this would create a number of jobs from building of facalities to people to carry out the programs there could be money from a lot of other sources that would probably be available also. its kind of like when you plant a tree it done for the next group. the next generation of bowfishers just might keep this going if we could get it up and running.
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as we were talking about gator gar fingerlings last wk.it occured to me there could be a potential problem in our future. if its a few years away thats good gives a little time to do something. some might say why did you bring this up wait until its here then do something but thats sticking your head in the sand . to harvest alligator, some places elk,moose,mountain sheep,bear and other animals you have to get permits then most of the time its luck of the draw. i would hate to see that for gator gar. [potential solution] don,t have a clue as to how many serious and part time bow fisherman there are but if its 10,000 plus thats good would give a strong voice this would need to be promoted and worked through bowfishing association of america. if 10,000 plus people gave 20 dollars a year for a couple of years towards a gator gar program would have some good results i would hope. we have one fish hatchery in tupelo,miss. thats working with gator gar we need at least a couple more doing this. then all the river basins from the west to the eastern part of usa could be restocked all the private lakes that wished to could do so. if there were public lakes that their lake association said we don,t want nothing to do with this that would be fine that is the way this should be don,t want anybody to feel like its being forced on them. this would create a number of jobs from building of facalities to people to carry out the programs there could be money from a lot of other sources that would probably be available also. its kind of like when you plant a tree it done for the next group. the next generation of bowfishers just might keep this going if we could get it up and running.
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Not one for more cost or regulations but a bowfishing license or permit with money towards Gator Gar or a Spoonbill hatchery is an interesting idea. And a way for states to gauge # of bowfisherman. Not sure a fan of that though..
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Bingo !
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I can see it now. with the decline of alligator gar populations Texas Parks and Wildlife put a limit of 1 per person per day on the alligator gar, so the fisheries biologist decide to stock one hundred thousand 12 inch long baby alligator gar in Lake Livingston on the Trinity river and use the lake as somewhat of a nursery or preschool for Gator gar......4 years later... with the decline in numbers of crappie sand bass and black bass, every alligator gar caught on rod n reel or by bow fisherman must be destroyed immediately due to over population of alligator gar in the Trinity River... lol...
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agree 100% the areas that still have viable populations won,t need much stocking just river basins where they no longer exist and maybe expand the range some our fish and game people have the biologists that can figure proper stocking rates when time comes to stock idon,t like a lot of regulations either we need some way to target a problem solve it then go to the next one solve it etc. if its a bowfishing license to get the jobs done we need bowfisherman on a comitte or board to help target problems and hopefully solve whatever the worse ones are first.if we as bowfisherman get the rep. as being problem solvers just like what i have observed on bfc with boats,bows and gear it will work.
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10,000 bowfishers x $20 a year wouldn't do much unfortunately. Hard to win support for a plan to reintroduce a top tier predator into waters that are primarily used for Bass and Crappie. As we know those Bass fishermen get their panties in a wad if they think you are hurting their chances of landing the big one. As much as I don't agree with it, the best option would be to limit harvest and let the population of GG recover/stabilize.
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agreed with you on that don,t know if we have that many bowfishers or not but your right that wouldn,t be but 2 hundred grand a year wouldn,t go very far was hopeing for funds from some other sources maybe. gator gar in right mix might help rather than hurt be up to bowfishers to keep them under control when i was about 12 years old the red was full of gator gar and all other kinds of fish we were wading in a cotton field that was flooded just the stalks were there cotton had been picked we were gigging some buffs isaw the stalks moving about fifteen yards from me i threw the gig ina big arch it came down right into the back of about a 6 or 7 ft. gator gar it jumped up out of the water and sent that gig about 15 feet into the air that picture is still very plain today.
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lol... good story snake ... kinda of subject but I would like to say Texas needs to change the laws on gador gar... sure keep one per person per day on some rivers and lakes but change it to 3 under 5' ... one over 5 or something like that... some places are freaking plumb full of them Damn things and I can't catch no catfish. they so thick I hit them with the lower unit of da boat, and bend props! hit like 3 every time I go... one day we hit 27 I think
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sounds like a little thinning out might help in that spot or moving to where they are needed time to get stainless prop.
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and if they really wanted to help the gador gar population... just make it 100% illegal to kill gar during the spawn... you can't make a rule that states... you can't kill gador gar during the months of April- June on this river or lake...a freaking biologist needs to say " dang the fair gar are spawning right now, gador gar are of limits" give out a few warnings first and patrol the area and spread the word that tomorrow it's a$500 fine. I don't know... it sucks is all I know.
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well if everything goes acording to plan in 5 years i can do that for ya brady ! im trying to be a part of tpwd in the near future
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but yes to keep the speicies pop up they do need to ban shooting any gatorgar during the spawn and put 500$ fines out per fish
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piss on every department of Texas Parks and Wildlife. EVERY PART OF IT.
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it sure would help
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:cf: why
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I live in the tupelo area where the hatchery is located...I herd they was trying to bread them to stock the rivers an lakes in this area to control the beaver population ...not sure how much truth is in this...I know here in in north mississippi their isn't any an also herd they was trying to get them adapted to the local water in this area for survival...anyone have info on this
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justin if you ever get to visit the hatchery check out what they are doing an if they sell any fingerlings when we get over to visit might pick up a few. i would like to just see the operation regardless.
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200K would not even begin to touch the financial support that it would require.......Best bet is grants and university research opportunities with money earmarked specifically for gator gar. If the money is given by sportsmen, at some point or another the money will be "shared" for other projects although it was started out with good intentions as specifically for gar. Even then the financial support would be minimal and the future for sportsmen (bowfishermen) would rest solely on research data. The best way is to look to conservation groups for grants/donations that have the power to earmark every single dollar down to the penny, for a specific purpose (gar). The problem with that is that sometimes your best source for funding a re-intro type situation, is that the groups/organizations that are most likely to give you big $$ are also the groups that will fight the hardest to stop you from bowfishing. Kind've a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario......I've seen it happen many, many times in fisheries.
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