[whiteriverrambo]

im confused, start from scratch and small then says 70 hp and 10-80s. are using "scratch" the way everyone else does or do you mean go buy a new production hull? what's your budget? do you want to be light weight and move slow or would you rather get a load up on plane? you don't need 10-80s unless your only lighting the front deck. if you're wanting more than 6' of the sides lit your gonna want to spread the light out more. side light vs. front light should be bout 1:3 meaning id would do 4- 80s forward and 12-30s on the sides. it would allow you to shoot the full length of the boat and only be 680 watt. of course id have them on multiple switches to keep amps down while only shooting one bank.

 

[whiteriverrambo]

100 ways to look at it. id build a 1684 with a 115 tiller and 26" sides and 20" walk arounds. and a 112 troller. and roll like a boss! you don't need pods on the boat your trying to build you need width.

 

[MarkinMissouri]

I think "small" went out the window when he started talking about 3-4 people shooting plus all the batteries to make "silent" happen. We did it on a 1648 but we also only ran a 12v/40lb thrust troller (which was too slow) 9.9hp outboard (also too slow) and two batteries for Led's which gave us about 3-4 hrs of light. Also when we fished places other than our clearer water, we struggled not having enough light (we had just short of 400w). It was nice to be silent but being limited to a 3 hr trip kinda sucked when you really got into the fish. Added the generator to be able to fish longer... And then wanted hps... And then wanted bigger boat...

 

[whiteriverrambo]

I think "small" went out the window when he started talking about 3-4 people shooting plus all the batteries to make "silent" happen. We did it on a 1648 but we also only ran a 12v/40lb thrust troller (which was too slow) 9.9hp outboard (also too slow) and two batteries for Led's which gave us about 3-4 hrs of light. Also when we fished places other than our clearer water, we struggled not having enough light (we had just short of 400w). It was nice to be silent but beind limrited to a 3 hr trip kinda sucked when you really got into the fish. Added the generator to be able to fish longer... And then wanted hps... And then wanted bigger boat...

story of my life^^^^^^. you can shoot 3-4 off of a 1660 but its borderline safe. if he's planning on buying a hull a 70"+ wide boat is a must. a little alweld and a small outboard will be fine if he's not worried about getting anywhere fast. a 60 yammer with a 4 blade toon prop will haul a load fair enough. especially on a light production hull.

 

[water snake 2]

on most led rigs that cover in close and out a good distance takes more than just mounting 6 or 8 of the same light it is hard to cover the whole area we have both spot and flood wattage has to be pretty high.

 

[mudfish]

I think you need 20X72 or 20X8, then I go with 2 trollers set up as kickers.
Running both a once.
:co:

 

[smashed]

Thanks for the replies. Everybody has different needs. Like I said before, I shot 4 off of a 1748 for years. The surface drive mudmotor could not get the boat on plane with 3 people and gear. When I say small, I mean the smallest boat that will still meet my criteria. The width is more important than the length. Pods were to help offset some of the weight of batteries, 4stroke outboard, and gas. The question was just as much for discussion as it was for information. I'm not new to boats or bowfishing but wanted some opinions of others who have maybe had short, wide boats in the past. Let me ask the question in another way to maybe simplify things a little. How would a 70hp push a 1670-1770 with 1200lbs in the boat? Just give me an educated guess.

 

[water snake 2]

Thanks for the replies. Everybody has different needs. Like I said before, I shot 4 off of a 1748 for years. The surface drive mudmotor could not get the boat on plane with 3 people and gear. When I say small, I mean the smallest boat that will still meet my criteria. The width is more important than the length. Pods were to help offset some of the weight of batteries, 4stroke outboard, and gas. The question was just as much for discussion as it was for information. I'm not new to boats or bowfishing but wanted some opinions of others who have maybe had short, wide boats in the past. Let me ask the question in another way to maybe simplify things a little. How would a 70hp push a 1670-1770 with 1200lbs in the boat? Just give me an educated guess.

on,t have a clue to the size water you get on but think about a safe rig if big water on a deep side 1770 believe if you could choose at least 100 horses.

 

[Bob_Esper]

I have a 1666 with a 115 and a 9.8 kicker. I've had 8 people in it and it got up on plane without issue. I think a 1670 with a 90 would work very well for you. I strongly
Suggest a small 4 stroke kicker over any trolling motor though. They're still pretty silent.

 

[smashed]

Thank you, exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I've got a 1756 with a 70hp and it has no problem with 4 guys, and gear for gator hunting. I don't know how 1 foot shorter but 14 inches wider would run with the same horsepower. I want a dedicated, SILENT, bowfishing-gator hunting boat.

 

[crafty]

Thanks for the replies. Everybody has different needs. Like I said before, I shot 4 off of a 1748 for years. The surface drive mudmotor could not get the boat on plane with 3 people and gear. When I say small, I mean the smallest boat that will still meet my criteria. The width is more important than the length. Pods were to help offset some of the weight of batteries, 4stroke outboard, and gas. The question was just as much for discussion as it was for information. I'm not new to boats or bowfishing but wanted some opinions of others who have maybe had short, wide boats in the past. Let me ask the question in another way to maybe simplify things a little. How would a 70hp push a 1670-1770 with 1200lbs in the boat? Just give me an educated guess.

Is this a production hull or custom built. Reason I ask is hull weight. Say a 70hp tiller on a mostly stock 1770 alweld (which shows a casting deck and one bench seat and rated for outboard up to 90 on their site) and that weight I'd guess around 30mph for an educated guess. What are your plans on the hull? Is it going to be a custom all .125 thickness hull with walk arounds or flush or raised deck.? im assuming the Alwelds are .100 as a vast majority of other production hulls tho Im not certain with the 70" bottom.. Personally I think a 70 is more than enough giving what your asking. Hell a 40 will get you from point A to point B just fine. Just depends on how quick u want to get there.

 

[whiteriverrambo]

Thanks for the replies. Everybody has different needs. Like I said before, I shot 4 off of a 1748 for years. The surface drive mudmotor could not get the boat on plane with 3 people and gear. When I say small, I mean the smallest boat that will still meet my criteria. The width is more important than the length. Pods were to help offset some of the weight of batteries, 4stroke outboard, and gas. The question was just as much for discussion as it was for information. I'm not new to boats or bowfishing but wanted some opinions of others who have maybe had short, wide boats in the past. Let me ask the question in another way to maybe simplify things a little. How would a 70hp push a 1670-1770 with 1200lbs in the boat? Just give me an educated guess.

if you run a large diameter pontoon prop should still get 25-28 out of it no more. pods are to offset heavy fans. a 70 won't require but a 9-12 gal tank. if its a yammer70 its only like 280lbs. 7 batteries would be like 450 lbs. trust me that's still a light load on a wide boat. try it before you add pods really not necessary.

 

[smashed]

Most likely custom. I'm thinking .125 all around. Very basic. 26" sides, 6' front deck, light rails, full rear bench or split pods with storage, full floor. No walkarounds. Small hatch on front deck for storage.

 

[Bob_Esper]

That sounds exactly like my hull except I have walk arounds. Can text pictures and opinions if you'd like

 

[smashed]

Please. I would rather email. I'm still old school with a flip phone. stuartjr@brantleybank.com

 

[carpmjh]

Most likely custom. I'm thinking .125 all around. Very basic. 26" sides, 6' front deck, light rails, full rear bench or split pods with storage, full floor. No walkarounds. Small hatch on front deck for storage.

I could see having detachable light rails and no walkarounds being helpful if the boat is going to be multi purpose.