[DirtyDave]

Why wouldn't you tune with the string on, I'm never going to fish without the string, so why tune with no string?

I dont think you would want to shoot through paper with the string on.

 

[SaLtY dAwG]

Paper tuning is near impossible to use line Gary, it shreds the paper and destroys your tear. The bare shaft paper tune is to get you very close so that when you put line on it is only very fine adjustments if any from there.

right... I practice in the back yard with a string on... I like shooting at dog toys so when I do hit one I can drag it back to me...

 

[GaryBriggs]

I don't see the need for paper tuning either, since the nature of bowfishing is snap shooting with fingers on the string. Considering your release with be inconsistent from time to time, wouldn't that render paper tuning a moot point?

Fish live in the water, not in a phone book.

 

[kuger]

Gary,its not absolutely necessary,but water causes exaggeration in "fowl tune",which will effect you penetration(at depth)and can cause huge slash wounds which lead to lost fish.I just always have paper tuned cause when money is on the line,I need every advantage I can get

 

[GaryBriggs]

Gary,its not absolutely necessary,but water causes exaggeration in "fowl tune",which will effect you penetration(at depth)and can cause huge slash wounds which lead to lost fish.I just always have paper tuned cause when money is on the line,I need every advantage I can get

I get that, it makes sense. You can tell with your naked eye when your driving tacks or tail whipping.

Paper tuning makes perfect sense for 60 yard shots with a hunting bow. No so much for 4 yard shots with a fishing bow.

 

[kuger]

it matters bud..................

 

[SaLtY dAwG]

4 yard shots... man I need to move to Cali...

 

[Hoythntr96]

I get that, it makes sense. You can tell with your naked eye when your driving tacks or tail whipping.

Paper tuning makes perfect sense for 60 yard shots with a hunting bow. No so much for 4 yard shots with a fishing bow.

Not to be a d*ck but... At 60yds, the vanes will correct any bad flight out of a hunting bow bowfishing arrows obviously dont have a method of self correction. Paper tuning is physical evidence that your arrows are flying straight. Definitely makes a difference on 3 ft shots, deep shots, or long shots. I wouldnt kill anything day time shooting with crooked arrow flight, i snipe grassies from 20yards sometimes and it makes a huge difference!

 

[GaryBriggs]

Not to be a d*ck but... At 60yds, the vanes will correct any bad flight out of a hunting bow bowfishing arrows obviously dont have a method of self correction. Paper tuning is physical evidence that your arrows are flying straight. Definitely makes a difference on 3 ft shots, deep shots, or long shots. I wouldnt kill anything day time shooting with crooked arrow flight, i snipe grassies from 20yards sometimes and it makes a huge difference!

Guess I'm just lucky

 

[tjones96761]

I think I get a little string drag out of my Muzzy with FF. I practice/tune without string and always hit an inch or 2 nock high with my BE, but no splash on the water. That's just how it was when I got it and I didn't want to adjust anything before I had shot it on the water. turns out it was perfect. Gotta start over now that I changed rests tho...

 

[LateArrivalforLSU]

Spinners tune the same if you shoot good line. However!!! Retrievers are nowhere close! My epoxy rest that i built shot bullets with a bare shaft and also with line tied on, put a retriever on just for chits and giggles and it was no joke 8" tail right. Thats why i dont use them

Anybody else have similar results using a retriever vs. a spinner? I'm new to bow fishing, but I'm obsessive when it comes to a properly tuned bow. If spinners make arrows behave better, then I'll switch from my retriever to a spinner.

 

[SaLtY dAwG]

Anybody else have similar results using a retriever vs. a spinner? I'm new to bow fishing, but I'm obsessive when it comes to a properly tuned bow. If spinners make arrows behave better, then I'll switch from my retriever to a spinner.

Kind of... using a spinner lets you shoot tied to the back... I get much better arrow flight when not using slides... so I guess I would say using a spinner is better on arrow flight... but if you use slides then its about the same as the retriever... also on a side note since you are new to bowfishing don't tie to the back with a retriever you will poke your eye out...

 

[GaryBriggs]

Anybody else have similar results using a retriever vs. a spinner? I'm new to bow fishing, but I'm obsessive when it comes to a properly tuned bow. If spinners make arrows behave better, then I'll switch from my retriever to a spinner.

Yes, my retrievers sit in a box now. Every once in a while I dust them off for uncoordinated newbie.

 

[jb-hunter]

Not sure how many on here have ever super-tuned their hunting bow to the point a unfletched shaft will stack straight and right on top of a fletched shaft at 20 yards but I promise it is a very tedious and time consuming process tuning with the bow, in and out of the draw board and press, half turns on cables, strings, yokes and hundreds of shots until you get it right. The reason I super tune is to know my hunting bow is at its optimal performance and any shot not dead nuts on target was the Indian... not the arrow and not the bow. Same reason I tune, retune and probably fuss over my bowfishing bows too much.

A super tune is not necessary on a bowfishing bow by no means BUT setting tiller, making sure timing is not way out, and making sure your shaft leaves as straight and true as it can is worth the effort and time.

Now with all that said, I have also watched a fellow bowfisherman that had no nock point on his string and slid his finger slicks up or down the string and "eyeballed square" if he thought he wasn't shooting quite right on the boat and I have to admit, he wasn't shooting half bad. I also think if he had set a solid nock point and tuned just a little, he may have been awesome shot.

So your ability to "eyeball" is fine if it works for you and there have been a ton of deer and fish killed with an eyeball tune I am sure, seen many a bow shop owner do it for years and send new hunters out the door. BUT... basing my opinion that the OP originally stated he has a press and a draw board for his hunting bow, he is a tuner and would probably want to make sure his bowfishing bow is just as tuned as his hunting bow.

Just my opinion...

 

[LateArrivalforLSU]

Kind of... using a spinner lets you shoot tied to the back... I get much better arrow flight when not using slides... so I guess I would say using a spinner is better on arrow flight... but if you use slides then its about the same as the retriever... also on a side note since you are new to bowfishing don't tie to the back with a retriever you will poke your eye out...

I'm confused by all that you're saying

I use the AMS retriever with a slide. When you say "tie to the back," are you saying tying in the hole where the slide stop screw goes into? Question.....when you use a spinner, do you not use a safety slide? What's the best way to tie the spinner line to the arrow?

 

[Kajun]

If you do switch to spinners, don't sell that retriever just yet. They may be made better these days, but I started out with spinners and the big redfish I shoot tear them things up. Went to a retriever and in 10 years only had to order 1 replacement part for $3.99 & that was b/c the bow had been dropped and it landed on the crank handle.
I know the spinner guys are fixing to blow up and raise he77 about me saying this in public, so I prob won't even look back at this thread.

 

[jb-hunter]

What's the best way to tie the spinner line to the arrow?

You opened a whole new can of worms and a search of threads with Tied to the Back or TTB should provide tons of reading and opinions. Some will swear tie to the back, others like slides (I do), others will say slides are not safe with spinners -won't pull arrow off string if you forget to push the button, I say it does. End of the day and 20 threads later, try both, shoot what you like.

 

[LateArrivalforLSU]

Two questions regarding tying to the back of the arrow:

1. How do you do it, where does line go, what type of loop/knot?
2. How does the line not get tangled up in the rest upon release? FYI - I shoot a whisker biscuit.

 

[Hoythntr96]

Two questions regarding tying to the back of the arrow:

1. How do you do it, where does line go, what type of loop/knot?
2. How does the line not get tangled up in the rest upon release? FYI - I shoot a whisker biscuit.

You will destroy a whisker biscuit. The reason spinners tune better is that the line comes out in line with your arrow flight. Tune your bow nock high and it will shoot perfect. Retrievers create side drag which results in having to compensate with your rest. Ive never liked that about them because mine do tune quite horribly. Its a great reel and tough as nails but neither of my current bows will shoot with them worth a darn

 

[jb-hunter]

Two questions regarding tying to the back of the arrow:

1. How do you do it, where does line go, what type of loop/knot?
2. How does the line not get tangled up in the rest upon release? FYI - I shoot a whisker biscuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqIfmETFV_k

Also search on here the "Mystery Knot", won't happen with a slide.

Here is one - http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forum...om/forums/showthread.php?31280-It-can-happen!-Be-careful&highlight=mystery+knot