[wbeadlescomb]

Yeah don't listen to Gary I think he has a chip on his shoulder or something.

 

[Hunter4life455]

Holy Sh!$. Our safety parinoa makes you laugh?! FredBear. First I want to say pay attention to te amount of post some of these guys have that are commenting on your post. These guys know there stuff. You seem to be more inteligent than some of the guys who are commenting on this. Wbeadlescomb knows what he is talking about and all off a sudden these young and dumb guys think they automatically know more than some of the veterans. I started on a 1436. Got it for 400 bucks. I used plywood for a flat deck and shot 2 guys. I used it one time because it was Very unstable and too short of sides. My common sense kicked in and didn't use it anymore. Please whatever you do don't listen to Gary's dumb "safety parinoa" statement the guy is a clown and thinks knows everything.

 

[fr3db3ar]

Thanks for all the input guys. I guess I'll have to spend the extra for a 48.


Buy once cry once.

 

[joe mabry]

Thanks for all the input guys. I guess I'll have to spend the extra for a 48.


Buy once cry once.

yes, keep that in mind when you are buying from here on out and you will save money. it may not seem like it, but you will.

 

[garpwacker]

You guys and you safety paranoia crack me up, I am going to take my 0736 wooden Jon boat out next weekend and blast some fish just to prove a point.

Buy the boat bro, build yourself a platform that has outriggers or float pods built into it, float pods on the back for some extra carry capacity. Fish it for a season and flip it for a profit. After fishing with this you will have a better idea of what size boat you would ultimately want.

Don't put much stock in anything said on this site, 90% of posts on here are nothing more than than a D*ck measuring contest, if you not using what they are then clearly it can't be right.(sarcasm)

Gary-Not knocking your fab skills, but want to thank you for agreeing with us that would pass on a 1436, or 36" wide boat. Your own 2 person pontoon build is a 60" wide build. Why not 48" or 36" if that's the best way to go ? You also stated get the boat then build outriggers or float pods ? Why? To correct issues that a larger 1448 boat doesn't have. Sounds like you actually agree with us while your criticizing us. Back to the thread. We aren't out to trash anyones ideas or plans but just trying to save you time,effort and Money by our experiences. Yes you can fish a 1436, put a flush deck from front to front seat and take it out. If it works for you then you can give positive opinion on the next guy with this post on the same question and call all nay sayers crazy. If it doesn't work then can give negative opinions based on your experience like some of us are doing. Good luck whichever way you go on your build. But take Gary with a grain of salt also, like he wants to say about us.

 

[GaryBriggs]

Yes it does make me laugh, every thread is exactly the same, everyone regurgitates the same tired ****. Then when someone posts pics of them actually doing what you all say isn't going to work you throw out the magical word "safety".

It's obvious a bigger boat is better, no one can argue that. But it's simply not possible for everyone to be fishing from a Cadillac. Some people may have to settle for a used Saturn instead. And when this happens instead of some decent insight all you hear is negativity. The fella asks for pictures to inspire, he recieves none, instead it's 10 people telling him its dangerous and it won't work. It's only dangerous if you cant swim.

Like I said I've gotten her done from a canoe, and can you believe it, I DIDN'T DIE.

 

[Hunter4life455]

Believe it or not Gary but there are other boats out there besides a 1436 for a good price. No one is saying buy a Cadillac and you are stuck on that idea that its either 400- or 4000 dollars and no in between. You are foolish to say that we regergitate the same bs about safety. Tell that to the family who lost two of their children. Now I have tried to be polite but your skull seems a little to thick to comprehend that. You got 120 something post and the way it sounds you have done it all... The guy asked a few questions about 1436'a and guys have gave them honest opnions and the way it sounds he actually is appreciative of their advice. You gave advice to put out riggers and float pods on a 1436 lets do some math....400 dollar boat, 150 for decent outriggers, 200-300 for float pods. Say another 200 for a small outboard and 100 for a Troller. These are only figured for a non rigged BowFishing boat. That's 1000-1200 dollars NOT SETUP FOR A 1436 for the way you explained it. I got a 1648 with a 45 hp with Troller for 1000 bux!!! Now instead of giving advice on add ons of outriggers and float pods. Why not wait alittle bit and find a good deal
And there is a difference between "Getting it done" and being comfortable and not worrying your family when you go shoot fish

 

[glassbow201]

What a mess, ha!

Used boat prices are going to vary quite a bit depending where you live. You are not going to find any 1448 jon boats + trailer in my area for $400 unless it is an off season moving sale. And even then, only the first guy to call will get it. A more reasonable price for a 1448 jon + trailer is about $1000-1200 where I live. In the South and maybe Midwest, there are more of them and they will be cheaper.

Here in a PA a 1436+trailer in good shape for $400 is a pretty good deal. A trailer alone in good shape with the title is going to be $300 easy.

With a 1436 I think I would just stand on the seats or at most a small flush deck made out of wood, shoot one from the front and one from the back in calm daytime waters. It is not worth the money to do anything out of aluminum. I would not shoot from a boat that small at night.

Now, you asked why a 1448 is so much more stable than a 1436. You could assume the 1448 is equal to the 1436 + an extra 6 sq ft with a 21" moment arm on each side. Displacing the extra 12 sq ft of water is not a huge deal - you would draft 6" instead of 8" for the same weight - but the fact that the extra displacement has the mechanical advantage of a 21" moment arm is what makes a lot more stable. And stability matters when you got 2 guys moving in the dark and the troller hits rocks or stumps. The 1448 will likely have 20" sides as well instead of 15" so there is a lot more freeboard.

 

[DonArkie]

Yeah don't listen to Gary I think he has a chip on his shoulder or something.

totally agree with the above statement. Safety is something you need to pay attention to, you only live once. These guys that are risk takers on these over loaded boats or 36" beam boats are risk takers, nothing manly about that fishing from small beam boats that are extremely unstabile. It shows me NO brains, NO consern about others. Most of these builds that I've seen on this site are good builds with safety in mind. Then again their some of these builds I've seen here on this site I wouldnt risk putting on the water, wiring hazards (viking funnel waiting), too heavy of materials use (for the size of boat), weight limits & beams size, all these have a huge factor for safety. 36" beam isnt a wise choice for a bowfishing boat, just because some risk takers can say yeah I fished 2 off a 14-36 with out a problem, it only takes a mistake or wrong movement down it goes, passing by boat with a wake, down it goes, or my favorite "went for a 1/2 dozen swims in it." That their should be enough to tell a person that a 36" beam isnt the ideal choice for a 1st timer or anytimers bowfishing boat.

 

[Hunter4life455]

Fr3db3ar, where are you from I am always on Craigslist looking for deals. If you are around this area ill keep my open for a good deal on boats

 

[Night-prowler]

I have a wood drop in deck for my 1436 you could have! I shot 2 ppl and a troller and a 5000 genny great! Now I'm filling 55gal drums and my 1652 is to small! Lol

 

[garpwacker]

Be patient and keep looking. I know is hard wanting to get something quick but don't rush just to get a boat. We looked for almost a year but got this for $1,250 with 50 h.p merc( no tilt or trim) ,80# 24v troller , was '89 boat and motor with 2008 trailer. Ran great and used for couple years. Was an old guy,with terminal illness that was used for bass fishing ponds only and garage kept till we got it.Check Craig list and classifieds online and local daily. Have money to get it quick, most deals don't stick around long..but you can find deals out there if you look and are patient. Was also a 17 ft 48" wide boat with 20" sides. http://bow.fishingcountry.com/forum...m/forums/showthread.php?19194-Got-all-8-50-watts-mounted&highlight=de_bowfisher
This was our first rigged out bowfish only boat. But also have a '75 Grumman sq. stern aluminum sport canoe, lil 10 ft Jon boat and had many other boats over my 50 yrs..good luck with your search. Basstrackerz are cheap good starter boats if you can find a good one

 

[GaryBriggs]

My point exactly, still saying the exact same ****. You're all assuming that he will overload the boat, your assuming he's gonna fish 2 nfl lineman on the front deck, you're all implying that its inherently unsafe from the start.

The reality is its not, just simply understand your boats limitations and fish accordingly.

Of corse it's not ideal, but it can be done, and without the fish of death!

 

[fr3db3ar]

It's all good gentlemen. I understand stability and safety. We fished two out of a Penobscot 16 last year and my buddy fell out twice. LOL

We wear PFD and he's a little afraid of going in as he can't swim well. Not sure it mattered as we were in about 8" of water with unknown depth of muck underneath.....we did find his bow though LOL

I decided to wait and take a look at a 48 that I have a line on as I want something that feels less tippy side to side than my current v-nose. It won't tip over as I got my butt wet the other day trying to get in over the side in a shallow lake with a drop off and didn't quite make it in the first time. I really want to have that flat nose for times when you have to push off from shore from the front or when you beach it a little and don't want to tip to the side.

All discussion is good as it gives information to any who would read a thread like this in the future. I appreciate ALL the input.

Hopefully I'll get to meet some of the Michigan guys soon without falling out while retrieving

 

[DonArkie]

The reality is its not, just simply understand your boats limitations and fish accordingly.

that right their is the problem! like I stated before most 14-36's weight limits are 550lbs to 625lbs. They simply dont realize, or forget or they flat out dont give a hoot for the boats weight limit because they listen to someone poor unsafe practices. If their buying cheap they will build cheap. Why ?, their in a hurry, they wont use the correct materials to save on weight again they use wrong materials wood, and steel. Going back to suggestion & advice, some never owned a boat so its all about price & they buy the wrong size again why they recieved wrong suggestion/advice they its all about cutting corners to do it as cheap as possible. All because he listen to someone whom modified or so called build one he claims but was a slapped together job in a few hours. Thats bad advise and shouldnt be given. Everything I mention equals to one word SAFETY!

 

[skyshark186]

Pretty sure this is at the point it should be locked. Its really a repeating arguement of those who think anyone shooting a 14 foot boat is overloading it and those who think you can hop in it with a troller and kill fish.

Im gonna go hop in mine and kill some fish.

 

[glassbow201]

Before its locked post some pics...I personally have seen very few pics of 1436s tricked out for bowfishing. Other than sticknstack's....

 

[jcour4]

I have a 1542 with a small mudmotor for duck hunting and I don't think I would be comfortable bowfishing with very many people on it at all. I have an 1860 that Ive never fished more than 3 on. Can a 1436 be used in certain situations? Of course it can but like others said you could wait and see if you could find a little bit bigger boat.

I believe 400 is a pretty good deal depending on condition and it is your choice if you think you can make it work, then go for it. It might not be my preference, but if I needed a boat bad enough I would buy it worst case scenario you're only out a 400 bucks just be smart on where you take it.

 

[skyshark186]

Mines a 14/48. Its also not finished. Shoots good though.

 

[DARuffisonfire]

Starting out I fished out of a 1232 for a couple years. 2 guys, no deck, and spot lights. It wasn't stable. if one guy shifted weight you had to be ready for it. But for what we were using it for and the resources we had at hand it worked out pretty good. As far as safety is concerned we were always pretty smart about it. We only used it in small rivers or small inland lakes in calm waters. If you plan to use it in conditions like that then it might work out. If you plan to get out on anything bigger than that or in choppy water I agree with most of the guys on here, wait for a 1448 or bigger. You'd be happier with a 1448 but if all you can afford is a 1436 just be smart about it and keep it simple.